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fsb
Welcome to another episode of The Father's Son's Brothers Podcast. I am stoked today to be hanging out with Justin Dale, who is a neighbor, geographically to me, based in Mexico, where I'm in Guatemala.
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fsb
Brother, thanks for taking the time to hang out on The Father's Son's Brothers Podcast.
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Justin
Hey, thanks for having me. It's great to be here.
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fsb
How did you end up in Mexico? You're not from Mexico. Where are you originally from?
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Justin
I'm from Canada and I actually have a good story about that. We could jump straight into a anecdote from my life.
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fsb
Tell it.
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Justin
Why not?
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fsb
Do it.
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Justin
So I, um, I'm just trying to think how far back, basically I was, I went to a retreat, ah men like a kind of a men's retreat and that kind of inspired me was a big part of what inspired me to do the work I do now. But anyway, I'm at this retreat and in the desert in California and um this guy's doing a speech add to a group of men and then he asked for a volunteer. And so I put up my hand and so he's, and then he gets out his massage table and he he gets me to sit on there and he does like quantum
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Justin
energy healing or theta. he I forget what he calls it. And he immediately goes, um, so well, what would that, well, how would you feel if something ever happened to your mother's health? And like, like a few days before that, she had called me up and and said, Hey, I just went to a doctor, i got really bad news. And thank God it turned out to be like not as bad as could have been like, at the time, I was like, Oh my gosh, he might pass away in two months. And I'm like, who, who is this guy? Why is he asking me that? And so then I did ah a one on one with him later that day. And he said, the most important thing in your life is to be able to travel the world and take your work with you. And this is something that you've wanted for a very long time.
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Justin
And it was so true. I've been trying different online businesses. So I've got a background in like, like web designing and e-commerce and stuff.
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fsb
Mmhmm.
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Justin
And I was trying, like I was working in the corporate world and I was trying some side hustles and not really, wasn't really working yet. And so then I went back to Montreal where I was living.
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Justin
I arrived at like, I think it was like three in the morning, realized I've lost my keys. and it's It's like winter time, so it's like super cold out. a Then, so I go to the the McDonald's and i I wait there till like eight in the morning until the somebody from the building can let me in. And I remember there's like other people like chilling there at McDonald's. And I was like, wow, this is how people live. But for me, this is brutal. And so then the owner of the building was made to my apartment. So I quickly changed and I go into the office where I worked, like this little e-commerce company. And they're like, oh, did you get the email? And I was like, no. And they're like, well, we love you, but your position is being terminated. And then I took the Metro home and I lost my iPhone on the way home.
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Justin
And then I just, I just got in my head and I think this is a gift in my maybe I'm like, I'm just going to sell all my stuff and buy a one way ticket to Mexico. And I'd never been to Mexico. I hadn't really done very much traveling.
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Justin
at that point in my life, I kind of got in started late. And I did it. So I put all my stuff on for sale on like Craigslist or something. And then I remember like all these people coming over to my apartment all the time and walking away with all my prized possessions. It was the first time in my life where I finally had this like sweet apartment with all the toys I'd ever wanted. And and I bought furniture specifically for to fit the nooks and crannies and But I was depressed.
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Justin
I was like unhappy.
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Justin
And then finally I got to the point where I was like, wow, I'm like i'm ready to go. I sold my my big iMac and bought a little laptop. And then I just put ah just booked a one-way ticket.
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Justin
I had no idea how I was gonna make money. And I just went for it and it worked out beautifully. And so that was i was like February of 2018.
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fsb
It's so good.
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fsb
Okay, and so where did you land in Mexico?
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Justin
Um, so I, I booked a room in, in a house on Airbnb for one month starting March And then I flew to Cancun and because I was like getting, doing all the preparations. And then I i realized, wow, I'm all ready to go. And it was like two days before March 1st, it was like February 26th.
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Justin
So I just booked a ticket and I i went two days early. So then I spent the first two nights in Cancun and then I already had an Airbnb lined up in Playa del Carmen, which is an hour drive south. And I remember being scared to go out. I was like, not sure if it was safe to leave the the house. Cause I booked another Airbnb in Cancun and then I was like, oh, maybe I'll just go out in the day.
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Justin
but not at night. And then i asked I asked my host like, so how do I get to the beach? And he's like, oh, you just walk down here and then hop on a bus and you go to the hotel zone. It's super easy. And so I'm walking and then there's no there's no bus stops here, which is actually great because you could just wave wherever you want and they'll pick you up.
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fsb
Right.
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Justin
and for all plus every like 30 seconds whereas if in Canada if you miss your bus you're standing there for 15 minutes freezing until the next one yeah totally and I'm like trying to figure out like where are the bus stops and then this bus stops for a red light and I and the doors open I'm looking at it I'm like
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fsb
And it doesn't stop unless you're standing in the bus stop. Yeah.
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Justin
I just got on it for some reason thinking like, I don't know if that must be it or something. And it took me to this big shopping mall with like, there's like a hundred buses and they're all honking.
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Justin
And I was trying to figure it out and I i couldn't, I had no idea. I didn't speak a word of it Spanish. And then I just ended up taking a ah taxi back to my Airbnb.
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Justin
I didn't even make it to the beach. And then like and like, oh, I'll take you.
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fsb
ah huh
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Justin
And I was like, well, it's getting dark. Are you sure it's okay? And now like I feel more safe here than I do in Canada. But at the time, it's like, yeah, yeah, let's just go down to the beach. And I'll never forget that moment when I sunk my toes into the the white sand of the beach in Cancun.
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fsb
Uh
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Justin
I was like, wow, I made it. like This whole process of selling all my stuff, getting myself here.
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fsb
huh.
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Justin
Like here I am, this is incredible. It was the first time I'd ever been on like a tropical beach. Before that, the only beaches I'd ever been to were like the coasts of Canada, which are like beautiful in their own right.
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Justin
But it's not, it's not like sand. The water's kind of too cold to go in. And I'll never forget that moment. That was like incredible. And, uh, the best thing I ever did, really.
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fsb
you and y ahora como vaso español.
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Justin
Yeah.
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Justin
Esta bien. Esta bien.
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fsb
Si?
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Justin
poco po costaranndiandro see car yeah Yeah, I love it.
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fsb
Very good brother. Yeah man.
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fsb
Beautiful, you know that um that that story just reminds me of like This thing, also working with with men and my own personal journey, faces and places are different, but the experience is similar.
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fsb
Life is just calling you to do something else. you know McDonald's leaves your keys, leaves your job.
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Justin
Yeah.
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fsb
like Something in your life is like pulling you into a new direction and giving you all of these signs. and Yeah, I just want to honor the courage that it takes to listen to those because there there are a lot of people that just choose to fucking buy a new iPhone and get back into the apartment and carry on and not actually hear the call of what happens, you know, but I see that as like these, you know, life or your soul or God or something calling you to do something different other than what's what's been on offer or that you have been doing. And I think there's this real place of waking up to another reality that looks different to the reality that we lived in. And often that has to do with physically moving yourself away from the place where you grew up with, meaning friends and stories and routines and actual physical locations where this is who I am as Justin Dale or Gareth Pickering in my story in South Africa that required me landing on the beach in the Philippines and being the same thing. I'm like looking around in awe and wonder
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fsb
caught my first surf wave that day. And I was like, could this be how I live? Like, is this even a thing? you know And then just realizing like, oh, fuck.
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Justin
Bruh
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fsb
Yeah, there's a real sense of like, thank God African made the decision. Thank God I went through all this pain. Dude, my story is exactly the same. I just bought a new sofa and despite not wanting to move out of my life and all of my world seemed to be collapsing around me, including me falling into addiction and yeah, just like not harmful theyre harmful patterns to myself of places where I was just choosing things because I was very uncomfortable being with myself.
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fsb
But I stayed stuck for a long time. I didn't make that decision in an instant. It took me a good few years to be like, this really does suck. And I had to hit, I really had to hit a bottom point before I did the same thing, which yeah, required me leaving my world and in South Africa and then heading out and going traveling.
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fsb
And then yeah, a few years later, settling in Guatemala again.
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Justin
Nice.
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fsb
But yeah, just this real sense of what, what life could look like if you give yourself permission to think of something different other than what we know.
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Justin
Yeah.
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Justin
Yeah, yeah, so cool. And I kind of feel like in some ways, maybe I'm a bit of an outlier in my willingness to kind of throw myself into the unknown in some ways. But Not really.
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Justin
Like, I feel totally normal.
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fsb
I think we all have it. I think i think all of us, and I think specifically men, have this deep sense of like being called to do something remarkable.
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Justin
Yeah.
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fsb
It includes adventure, it includes it includes some danger and the unknown. That's the nature of what i think this human experience is.
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Justin
Mm hmm.
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fsb
And I think many don't have the courage to do it or just don't want to listen to it or or numb that voice by being on social media or working extra hours or starting a new business or you know cannabis alcohol.
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fsb
choose Choose the distraction that you want. But many, I think we all do have it. I think the outliers are the ones that listen to it and follow it. I think that voice is there for many of us.
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Justin
yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, you put it better. That's what I kind of was trying to say was that sometimes people don't listen to it. And then sometimes we just kind of don't have a choice to listen to it. It's kind of like, it sounds like maybe you and I were in like, if things were, if things were really good, maybe I want to taken that big leap but I think I was kind of searching for something and I i ah needed something and I felt this kind of longing or or something like that and like that the man in the desert told me this is something you've been wanting for a long time and I was trying and kind of kind of failing or at least it wasn't happening yet and then I just went for it because I felt like the alternative of not going for it was like
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Justin
I couldn't, I could deal with that. I had to, I had to go for it, you know? And then I also, I guess, I guess I feel like there's, um I kind of believe in, in um ah this idea and I, the way I articulate it is kind of like the higher self, which exists beyond time and space.
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Justin
And it's got a bird's eye view of things that it can kind of see, see the future a little bit.
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fsb
you
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Justin
And if we're, if we listen, then we kind of know we we know the way and even though it might be crazy to book a one-way ticket to another country and not know how you're gonna make a living and you don't have much savings, maybe we know that that is the way and that it is gonna work out and and that's the that's the way to go and it's not it's not reckless or irresponsible, it's actually tuned in, you know? Because I've fallen in on my ass a lot in my life,
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Justin
but not from big leaps of faith. It's more from, I don't know, just generally, you know, but the big leap the big leaps of faith tend to work out.
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fsb
Brother, I've got this thing with I use in my own life, but I also work with with clients with which is It might be hard, but it's not complicated, meaning that intuition that you speak of that we have an internal compass inside us that when we're listening, which means not distracting yourself, not numbing yourself out with drugs of choice, et cetera. When you genuinely sit with yourself, you do know the right decision. You know that this is not what I want to be doing, or this is not the relationship for me.
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fsb
this is not where I want to live. like Those decisions but might be difficult to make, but it's not complicated. It's not like, oh, is this the right choice for me? When you really tune in and listen and you trust that part of yourself, call it your higher self, call it your relationship with the divine or just your intuition, you can call it whatever you like.
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fsb
You do know, you do know. And when I can look back on my own journey and be like, I did know I was unhappy.
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Justin
Yeah.
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fsb
I just didn't give myself enough time to really tune in and listen. I just, I can put it it to the side and drank a whole lot of alcohol and distracted myself from myself. It doesn't mean that making the choice is not difficult.
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Justin
Yeah.
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fsb
that It is difficult because you've got to let go of all of those things. You've got to let that part of yourself die. You've got to sell a business, end a relationship, have a health crisis, whatever those things are, those are not easy.
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fsb
But it's not complicated. If you just tune in and listen, that inner that inner voice is there.
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Justin
Right.
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Justin
Yeah, yeah. The complication is just we add that. It's like mental chatter. Should I do it?
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fsb
Hmm.
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Justin
Should I not do it? What if this happens? What if that happens? well what bla bla blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, but yeah, the the essence of it is very simple.
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fsb
Hmm.
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Justin
Yeah, yeah.
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fsb
Brother, we we're called the Father, Sons, Brothers podcast and I'd love you to share another story about the roles that you've played in your life as either a father or not a father. As a son, you shared some stuff around your your mom or as a brother, like what comes up for you in those three sort of masculine labels of being a man in this world. Something you want to you want to share to let our audience get to know a little bit about you.
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Justin
Oh man, that's it that's a great question. and
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Justin
Well, I shared this anecdote the other day, but this is a whole new conversation. I had a supernatural experience once when I was spending time with my father.
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Justin
And that this is the first thing that came to mind is so I think i think some of my interest in kind of my alternative worldview that's maybe not so alternative anymore. It's kind of been the silent my majority majority, but comes from from my father who was a Waldorf teacher and It participates in Aboriginal spirituality since kind of the 90s and he used to he used to read me and my brothers, what do they call it, Aesop's Fables mythology.
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Justin
So I remember hearing a lot of mythology, Greek mythology, stuff like that when I was a child.
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fsb
Yeah.
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Justin
And he used to quote, Rudolf Steiner, when I was a child, he doesn't seem to talk about that much anymore. But when I was a kid, I remember hearing about that stuff. And so about 10 years ago, so like, I'm not around Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, where I grew up that much. Unfortunately, that's one of the bad things about living overseas and stuff like that is I don't get to be around my family that much.
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Justin
But about 10 years ago, I was doing a sweat lodge with my dad. He's involved with the Blackfoot people and he he'll go down to Montana in the summers and do sun dances where he he'll actually pierce his skin with like bone.
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fsb
Hmm, I've seen it.
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Justin
It's like and and they don't they don't eat or drink water for I think three days straight. which is pretty hardcore, like the no water park, that's like really hardcore.
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fsb
Amazing.
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Justin
And one time I was doing a sweat with him and his friends and his friend's father came and was, I was told that he's a guest of honor, he's a high kind of,
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Justin
how do you put it, a recognized high status person in their community. And he's bringing a, I was told he's bringing a spirit helper with him. And so we're in the sweat lodge, and I'm just listening to sort of thing you'd expect to hear at this kind of event. And We close the door and that it's pitch black and it's very low to the ground so we're just sitting kind of crouching and the drums are going and the shakers and chanting. There's maybe six, six people in there and I'm hearing this super loud flapping sound and like moving all around.
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Justin
ah around my head and I'm worried that it's gonna hit my head and it like, I think I'm feeling wind and it's like so loud, like, like, fla-fla-fla-fla-fla-fla-fla-fla. And then afterwards I asked them, like, what was that what's that loud flapping sound?
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fsb
Yeah.
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Justin
And they go, oh, that was, what's his name, George, maybe? That was George's spirit helper. That was his eagle spirit helper. And I'll never forget that moment because that was like,
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Justin
I believe that there's a lot more out there. Like I'm open-minded, but I was like, oh my God, I just had it like a supernatural experience. Like that was, so yeah.
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fsb
so beautiful wow yeah bro i've noticed something i think in the world that i grew up in which is like a sort of a pretty traditional conservative western world we don't create a lot of space for realms other than what we can see and touch with our in our three with our 3d senses and um
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Justin
Yeah.
00:19:04.33
fsb
I was brought up in a Christian home, but I didn't really resonate with the Christianity framework of exactly how it unfolded. So what gave me some peace when I was sort of in my late teens and up until my early thirties was like, I'm just going to be an atheist. That's fucking easier for me because I don't want to be this guy. I don't know anything else. I can't touch anything else. And I was just a part of me that was like comfortable in my choice to not know anything.
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fsb
It's not an easy way to live because then nothing really makes sense. You know, you're just like, when I die, the lights go out and that's the end of it, then I might as well just be completely hedonistic. And in many ways I ah pretty much was. I was just choosing myself every single time. The world around me consisted of the things that I could touch and feel. And the more that I could acquire and the more options that it gave me in my life through through money and through choices, that was my my opportunity.
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fsb
But only when I went traveling and you know maybe slowed down and removed myself from that world that I realized that the whole world of spirituality, my my lesson came through specifically around manifestation, like understanding that I understood how I'd set goals and they came into my life, but I didn't realize just the level of ease at which things can manifest when you inverted commas, not play with this stuff, but realize what it is and live in alignment with these laws.
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fsb
These laws are not stuff we talked in school, but like the law of vibration, the law of attraction, in these types of spiritual laws exist in this reality, but we don't talk about them or teach teach them.
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Justin
Good.
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fsb
If anybody's listening to this going like yeah ignore them at your peril. It's like you you just don't if you if you choose not to believe them, that's cool. I chose not to believe them. But what it doesn't do is it doesn't give you access to any of the healing or the power or the magic or the connection to things that exist outside of our spiritual material, sorry, our scientific materialism that I lived in in the world. And so, you know, if you can't prove it on a spreadsheet or with science, then it simply doesn't exist. And I've proven that to be untrue, time and time and time again in my life, you know, continual visions, psychedelic experiences, transcendental experiences, dreamlike states, dreaming itself, like all of these things exist. You can't prove dreams, you know, what happens there with with things. But like, I've had dreams where I fell asleep,
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fsb
one example that just comes up now, I fell asleep and I dreamt in my dream that i that I'd lost my credit card and I was like, oh, I woke up thinking I must be more ah must be more careful with my credit card.
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fsb
I got back into the rental car where I had been parked in the sun and my credit card had completely melted in the car and I'd forgotten that I'd left it in the car and it's like,
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Justin
Wow.
00:21:36.97
fsb
What the fuck happened there? My logical brain is like, that didn't make sense.
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Justin
Yeah.
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fsb
And I didn't, I didn't even know, I thought my card was with me, but like the dream space and reality and time as we think we know it, if you choose to see it completely linearly and think that this is all we have,
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Justin
Yeah.
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Justin
Mm
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fsb
When I lived like that, I cut myself off from a lot of power and opportunities to make my life easier, both from a position of connection, feeling connected to something bigger, my ability to be able to bring things into my life or transform my life in a way when you're connected to the more subtle realms as a way to be able to yeah just be connected to this power and realize that
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Justin
hmm.
00:22:15.21
fsb
I now understand that I'm a vibrational being and what shows up in my reality is very much a function of my vibration, the point of vibration that I hold.
00:22:24.72
Justin
Mm.
00:22:24.59
fsb
And I've noticed that to be true in my life. When I look back on it, when I was anxious, not feeling myself, maybe distracting myself from myself. My outer world reflected that back to me.
00:22:35.88
fsb
My relationships were chaos. Business always seemed to be in a big rush. I was hustling, et cetera. As I've slowed down, found a bit more peace in my own life. Maybe it's just a natural maturing. I've noticed I'm attracting more laid back relationships and more ease and flow with my business and and money.
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fsb
That's not proven by science. That's proven by the fact that I live in a specific way in the vibrational world in which we live.
00:22:55.84
Justin
Right.
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fsb
is bringing those experiences to me.
00:22:59.94
Justin
Yes.
00:23:01.78
fsb
You can choose to ignore them and you can still stay stressed and write your plans out on a thing and you could still make a million dollars. I made a million dollars just by writing a vision board item and putting it out into the world.
00:23:10.51
Justin
Amazing.
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fsb
And then went surfing in the Philippines, that same story that I started with. And a 50 grand investment that I made in Bitcoin became a million bucks within 18 months. And I was like, oh my God, what the fuck just happened?
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fsb
Like I had a little, like,
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Justin
amazing
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fsb
opportunity to play with the universe using law of attraction and I just made this image and I completely forgot about it and suddenly I was like wow I made more than 18 months traveling the world having fun than I did in 10 years building my business hustling as hard as can be and I left there was 50 grand that was the 50 grand that I had for my life that became a million and I was like whoa that was my moment of like make sure that you listen to this stuff because if you don't you're gonna fucking hustle and you think that's the way the world needs to be and then
00:23:45.72
Justin
Mm hmm. Oh, that's awesome. That's so cool. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:23:55.82
Justin
yeah
00:23:55.67
fsb
Yeah, the role of stories that we tell also influences all of these pieces. So yeah, I'd rather thank you for for sharing that. and
00:24:03.31
Justin
Yeah. And, and right when you were right before you shared that experience of the dream, and then the melted card, I was just thinking you were, I was listening to you and it triggered a thought. So just, I guess so ah a week or two ago, I woke up, I don't remember my dreams that much, but I woke up one morning and I was remembering my dream that I was just, or I was sort of having a dream, but waking up and kind of aware of it. And it was kind of like me phoning my mom and being like, hey, good news. um
00:24:42.17
Justin
I'm making lots of money. And, or like, like something big happened in like my financial realm of my world or whatever. And then like, a couple hours later, I signed, I signed up a one on one client.
00:24:57.97
Justin
And it was like a little precognition or something that it was was happening.
00:25:01.32
fsb
Mm hmm.
00:25:02.93
Justin
So yeah, see it's all absolutely there's just And like that experience I shared with so the it's kind of...
00:25:12.03
fsb
The eagle
00:25:18.00
Justin
I just take it to be like, okay, so so if that's real, what or I take it to be real, like then what else is real? Maybe all this other stuff is the magic, the manifestation, the potential for immortality, the chakras, the third eye, the levitation, whatever, til telepathy, but like what? Maybe it's all real. I've had moments thinking like, maybe, you know, maybe, um maybe they hide everything out in the open and they put it in fiction, like Star Wars, and then people go, oh, that's, that's a good movie. That's fiction, where in reality, that's, that's all real. And that's part of the, the, um
00:26:04.48
Justin
mental prison that we're in to to limit our, and our awareness of the true possibilities.
00:26:12.65
fsb
Bro, you and I could riff about this for ages because I feel like that's what it is.
00:26:13.02
Justin
Yeah.
00:26:16.81
fsb
you know i you know I think in many ways we are living a story that has been handed to us that in some ways is linked to some level of scarcity or dark energy, which is we're all going to play this game.
00:26:18.00
Justin
yeah
00:26:28.97
fsb
Let's call it money. And this is the most important thing that we need to do. And it's the most important thing in the world. This was the story that I sort of had. It's like, whatever you do, you're working towards making more and more money. And this is the the path of what you want to do.
00:26:40.44
fsb
But in some ways, It does disconnect us from a certain number of things because we suddenly have a worldview that, okay, if I had more money, then I would be happier. And if I got sick and I had money, I could pay for it to be.
00:26:51.44
fsb
And if I didn't have food, I could have money and pay for it. It's like all coming back to the single place, which is we already live in an abundant world. You know, if you walk outside in nature, we we would be okay to survive just by sitting on the beach most days, getting some sun, being with family, making love, being in our bodies, moving our bodies, growing a little bit of food.
00:26:59.86
Justin
Yeah.
00:27:10.94
fsb
And that's pretty much all we need. you know that's like about it you might want to go on an adventure or two but we've created this super complicated world which in many ways has become a prison that sounds like i need to keep doing this because of money
00:27:13.95
Justin
Yeah.
00:27:24.40
fsb
And yeah, I think it really does keep us stuck from our true potential of recognizing, firstly, not only how little we need to live, like we've created these worlds of ah and and unnecessary expenses, including the the materialism trap of like filling our homes with stuff, which in many places ah or cases we don't need as much as we have, and we continue to buy more of it, only to put it in a landfill a few few days later.
00:27:48.59
fsb
That's that's a sickness. that's That's not a way to live.
00:27:50.85
Justin
Mhm.
00:27:51.53
fsb
that's like So yeah, I think there's something in that, which is it can only come from giving yourself the permission to explore these other realms or these other ways of living or other possibilities, which is like, yeah, this we have so much magic. And I think one of the pieces for me, which I'm keen to start having more and more conversations about and actually want to create some content about it is that our healing journey is nature's perfect.
00:28:14.55
fsb
We didn't make these unbelievable meat suits and live for millions of years to get to this stage only to realize we need to take pills and little yellow bottles to make us feel better.
00:28:15.41
Justin
Yeah.
00:28:23.86
fsb
That's a lot of bullshit and I think that is like a compounding problem that actually doesn't make us better. I think what makes us better is slowing down, getting the nervous system into a place where the body can relax and heal by itself.
00:28:36.98
fsb
But in order to do that, you need to make sure that you're not answering 300 emails a day and spending 50 hours a week in Zoom calls and meetings with people around the money conversation or stress because that the animal, your animal body, doesn't feel relaxed in that state.
00:28:46.05
Justin
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
00:28:51.71
fsb
And then eventually you will start to get sick. And the solution there is to slow down and to go back to the way that you are supposed to live. not to take another injection or eat another pill or to, you know, even the doctors don't even prescribe, you know, nutrition as a solution.
00:29:06.38
fsb
You know, what are we actually putting into our body?
00:29:06.91
Justin
Yeah, they have no idea.
00:29:08.18
fsb
You know, like just, just take a stock take of what we've eaten today. Is it been three cans of Coca-Cola filled with sugar or like just small stuff?
00:29:12.05
Justin
Yeah.
00:29:16.00
fsb
And so I think what you're touching on there is really, is really powerful.
00:29:17.30
Justin
Yeah.
00:29:19.62
fsb
And I think what's exciting for me is that
00:29:24.74
fsb
I think we're going through a great awakening. I think there's a lot of people that are waking up going like, this is a lot of bullshit.
00:29:26.97
Justin
Oh, absolutely.
00:29:30.02
fsb
I don't want to do this forever.
00:29:31.94
Justin
Absolutely.
00:29:31.93
fsb
It doesn't mean you throw all of it away, but it's like you can do a stocktake of your life and be like, okay, I've got so many years left on this planet and have a guess. That could be anything from the next 30 seconds to the next 30 years or longer.
00:29:45.90
fsb
None of us think we're going to die today. But what's not a fuck yes in my life that I could actually let go of? And that's ah that's a really good place to start because that just gives you the spaciousness to be like, okay, he has a relationship that doesn't make me feel good.
00:29:59.42
fsb
He has a choice or a location that doesn't make me feel amazing.
00:30:00.12
Justin
Yeah.
00:30:04.04
fsb
And just slowly start to let go of that and create a little bit more space. And I think that's that is the process of us coming back into some sort of realization of what really makes us happier.
00:30:13.46
Justin
Yeah, I love I love that, like talking about kind of minimalism and, and going going down to the essentials of what we really need. like um We don't need much. And then at the same time, recognizing the the abundant nature of of nature.
00:30:37.18
Justin
at like So I've got this little garden. I've got kind of a little backyard garden. And I moved to where I'm living.
00:30:44.65
fsb
Mm hmm.
00:30:46.32
Justin
I moved here about four months ago and there was this plant that was maybe, I don't know, four feet or something like that.
00:30:56.31
fsb
Uh huh.
00:30:57.10
Justin
And now it's enormous. It's like 20 feet. And I'm going to have to, I feel like I have to ask somebody like, is this thing a tree or is it a weed or
00:31:11.07
fsb
Mm hmm.
00:31:12.25
Justin
What is it like? Is it going to be bothering the neighbors? Should I cut it down? like what How big is this going to get? It's enormous.
00:31:19.80
fsb
Uh huh.
00:31:20.64
Justin
It's like the size of a tree now, but it looks like a bush or like a plant.
00:31:24.12
fsb
Uh huh.
00:31:25.94
Justin
It's not a tree.
00:31:26.18
fsb
Uh huh.
00:31:26.70
Justin
It's like soft and floppy. And it's just absolutely gargantuan. And it just goes to show how the sunlight and the water and the The way it all works, you know the the um the wind and the currents of the water ah in the ocean and the way the the energy all circulates through the planet, it's designed to create incredible abundance.
00:31:58.76
Justin
like you know it's It's built into the system. so and that
00:32:02.98
fsb
It's so beautiful. bre it's like Yeah, so I was going to say there's like this sense for me that I have no doubt that nature is going to be fine. You know, we might not be here to enjoy it.
00:32:10.91
Justin
Oh, yeah.
00:32:12.19
fsb
Like we might get to a place where we make this planet. uninhabitable for humanity, and we'll die.
00:32:17.32
Justin
here
00:32:18.31
fsb
And I have no doubt in 10 or 20 years, nature will be fucking thriving again with others here. You know, nature will set us free.
00:32:23.81
Justin
Yeah.
00:32:25.01
fsb
Either we choose to live in harmony with her and come back into what you're saying, which is recognizing that if we just sit back and slow down, we have enough of what we need. Nature is perfect in its design and we're part of nature. But if we choose to not be part of nature and continually you know chop down all the trees to you know turn them into dollars because that's more important or eat all the fish because that's more important than actually replenishing it we'll still be set free we just won't be here to enjoy nature she'll go back to the way she has done for billions of years we'll just be a little blip on the timeline so yeah i do feel a lot of so a lot of peace in that like yes we might be killing the world no we're killing the world as we see it right now
00:32:52.58
Justin
I think so. Yeah.
00:33:03.46
fsb
in the time scales of things, you know, we just as a species may not be here anymore and other civilizations a lot more noble and a lot more exciting have existed and disappeared before us in this short time window that we've been on the on the planet Earth.
00:33:14.77
Justin
yeah Yeah, I see it like that as well. At the same time though, the like the the which deserts am I thinking of there's there's desert regions of the planet that were like these lush these lush jungles thousands of years ago and then and then I've heard I don't know much about this but I've heard like some people say that Mars used to be very ecologically rich and now it's kind of
00:33:50.21
Justin
a desert. So I'm not sure what that's about. Maybe in the big, big timeline beyond human comprehension, that's a cyclical thing that the lush jungle comes back once again later, or maybe that in that desert, that's rich in consciousness in a way that we don't perceive.
00:34:14.32
fsb
Mm-hmm
00:34:14.90
Justin
as well is maybe we're um we're designed we only can see oh there's plants and animals and water so there's a lot going on and then if it's desert oh there's nothing here but maybe we just don't notice it who knows it's all a mystery but yeah but I kind of I believe I agree with you like I think nature is going to be okay you know yeah
00:34:32.99
fsb
Yeah, man
00:34:41.47
fsb
yeah i think what's good Yeah, I think what's more important is that we remember that we're part of nature. Because as soon as we feel separate from nature, and I know that this is true for me because there's a time in my life where I wasn't so interested in it.
00:34:47.57
Justin
Mm hmm.
00:34:53.91
fsb
that it's like, yeah, we're not I didn't really care. My focus was on money in my business and my next range of things. And so I was making choices in my life around what I chose to consume and where I chose to spend my time and what I was even building my advertising agency was around something that didn't feel like it was supportive of nature and this planet in a way that was anyway healing.
00:35:07.50
Justin
Okay.
00:35:12.01
Justin
Mm hmm.
00:35:12.53
fsb
And you know I've had this more recent analogy of these three rings where the first center ring is self-love. Like how much do I love myself? the more that I'm able to love myself, then I think I can expand out a little bit and love the relationships around me, my partner, my family, my community, et cetera. Like if that self-love's not there, it's quite hard to have relationships with other people.
00:35:35.55
fsb
I think the third love on the outside of that is like sort of a cosmic or universal love, which is if you can't love yourself, it's going to be really hard for you to walk out into the world and love nature and the rocks and the trees and the things that seem inanimate.
00:35:50.58
fsb
And so, you know, everyone, not everyone, I know to some people,
00:35:51.04
Justin
Yeah.
00:35:55.12
fsb
are out there going like we need to save the world fuck everybody else that's doing and it's like it's not coming from a place of self-love it's coming from fear and so I think we do have a responsibility to this green and blue ball that we're on this fucking magnificent place that we are
00:36:02.75
Justin
Yes.
00:36:11.76
fsb
But it's going to be solved through love, not through like shaming people. or you know I think there's there's a healthy place to go to the street for sure, lobby against bad practices for sure.
00:36:16.42
Justin
yeah
00:36:22.51
fsb
But I don't think we're going to solve the world unless we love ourselves. I think it really starts inside and radiates out. And so these three rings are sort of dependent on my ability to fall more and more in love with myself every single day.
00:36:33.48
fsb
Because I noticed the more I do that, suddenly I'm like, good God, it's so beautiful. It is so amazing to be out in the world.
00:36:38.32
Justin
Hmm.
00:36:39.92
fsb
and I've actually, do you know who Jamie Will is from the Flow Genome Project?
00:36:45.24
Justin
I don't think that's familiar.
00:36:48.31
fsb
Anyway, he has this this saying, which is and actually an E.B. White quote, which is, some days I wake up wondering whether I should be saving the world or savoring the world.
00:36:59.00
Justin
Nice.
00:36:59.36
fsb
And it's this paradox that you wake up with in in the world of like, fuck, I need to save this place. We fucking killing our mother or something like that. And I've been sitting with this and I realize, and I think the end of the quote is,
00:37:12.17
fsb
you need to savor the world first. Otherwise, there's nothing worth saving. And I think that I noticed that people
00:37:17.18
Justin
Yes.
00:37:22.10
fsb
have this tendency to wanna save the world, but I don't notice them taking the time to savor the world. Meaning, like, if you if you're going out there saying, we need to save the planet, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then you don't go and spend time in nature and fall deeply in love with her, to me, that's a virtue signal.
00:37:28.86
Justin
Oh that's so true.
00:37:39.56
fsb
That's like coming from a place of wounding and a fear and a program that that maybe it's not your fault, but if you don't go out into nature and actually love the thing that you're trying so hard to save,
00:37:40.47
Justin
Yes.
00:37:49.90
fsb
I'm calling bullshit on that. I'm like, you need to go and sit in nature, be part of it.
00:37:52.08
Justin
wow Wow.
00:37:53.86
fsb
And then yes, from there we can talk about saving the planet. But if you're just out there shaming everybody for a talking climate control, worst case scenario is we're all going to die, but then you're not actually savoring the part that you're trying to save.
00:38:06.51
fsb
To me, it's a virtue signal. And I'm like, I'm calling bullshit on anybody that's like that.
00:38:09.32
Justin
Oh, that is so true.
00:38:10.44
fsb
ah
00:38:11.04
Justin
I never thought of it like that, but that is... Wow, that's profound. ah Because now that you point it out, i that's exactly what it is. and like There's these people that are very aggressively talking about these issues about like, we're all gonna die because humanity is killing the planet and it's mostly these people's fault.
00:38:36.10
Justin
And I'm one of the good people and I'm spreading the word, but I just spend all day on my on my smartphone.
00:38:38.33
fsb
help
00:38:40.76
fsb
The vast, exactly.
00:38:44.24
Justin
i I've barely left ah barely left my house in months, let alone go to the park, let alone
00:38:47.28
fsb
Yup. Yup.
00:38:50.88
Justin
outside of the city to get into the nature. And maybe throughout human history, like, cause I think that kind of our, the way we we think as an individual, it's there's so much behind it that's gone into it. And maybe throughout the last kind of 10,000 years, being an industrious person,
00:39:17.42
Justin
where like the people that figured out how to extract resources from nature and and kind of harness the labor of others were the ones like the Rockefellers or before that I'm sure there was big like during the agricultural revolution there was probably kind of big strong men that got other people working for them and
00:39:17.89
fsb
you
00:39:45.81
Justin
And so maybe it maybe like extracting reheesess resources from the environment and kind of the powerful people of society, there's always been that connection. Even nowadays, like people, there's detect billionaires and there's many ways to become influential and powerful and and wealthy, but I think there's still that relationship between extracting late like lumber and oil and all this stuff.
00:40:20.53
Justin
and And these people are trying to kind of tear down the the hierarchy or the powerful and their anti, ah like anti-strength, anti-beauty, stuff like that.
00:40:36.44
Justin
So I think being supposedly pro-environment is a very,
00:40:36.30
fsb
huh
00:40:43.21
Justin
convenient cover for them to like be be aggressive.
00:40:48.61
fsb
I always ask if that's, yeah, I agree with you. I think it's always coming back to that place of those three rings. Like, is this person deeply in love with themselves?
00:40:55.26
Justin
Mm-hmm.
00:40:55.08
fsb
You know, because if you're out there trying to rah rah rah, it's like, Most things that I can see in my own life are, where am I making this decision out of love or fear? There's this almost binary choice in every single moment with what I choose to do.
00:41:08.45
fsb
And my nervous system lets me know.
00:41:08.74
Justin
Mm-hmm.
00:41:10.35
fsb
So you know like am I feeling like I've made this decision from a place of love? Or am I contracted because I'm like so fearful that I'm going to run out of money or that I need to do this business deal because I have to get the deal done or something like that?
00:41:23.43
fsb
That's more from a place of fear than from a place of love.
00:41:25.69
Justin
Yeah.
00:41:25.79
fsb
And the climate change piece is the same. it's like Am I s savoring it or am I just from a place of fear trying to tear down the the the existing structures? And you know, I do get that because again, this programming that we touched on at the beginning, this mind trap,
00:41:44.63
fsb
If you want to keep people like fighting against each other, just give them a reason to fight. And there's no bigger reason to make somebody feel really fucking scared than the sense that every choice that you make is killing your mother.
00:41:55.93
fsb
That's what it's like. We live on our planet earth, mother nature.
00:41:56.87
Justin
Um hmm.
00:41:59.07
fsb
And if we feel that every single time we're doing something or that somebody out there is doing something is killing our mother, it's fucking debilitating. You don't know what to do. You can't move in your life. And so you start feeling anxious about it and you start feeling stressed about it.
00:42:08.07
Justin
Yeah.
00:42:11.62
fsb
And yeah, it's it's not ah it's not a helpful way to fix it. so Yeah, just recognizing in my own life where I'm making choices from a place of love or a place of fear rather than from a place of love is just coming back to try and solidify that inner ring so that I can show up better for my relationships with my family and my community.
00:42:29.30
fsb
And then the next thing I'm walking around like crying because I see palm trees that are so green and I'm just like fucking overwhelmed with the gratitude of being in this beautiful world that I'm in. Can I make a difference to save the whales? I don't know. I hope so. Like, but I also don't want to lie awake at night just beating myself up because of where we are. That doesn't feel helpful at all.
00:42:49.48
Justin
Yeah, totally. um I think even people whose ability to love themselves is being shut down largely, still, I think it's human to have a connection to nature.
00:43:04.65
Justin
And some people are really, really shut down and have almost lost the ability to love themselves, but everybody has it to some extent, unless they're totally shut off and they have a lot of healing to do. And, um, so yeah, I think that's part of, part of that, those issues issues as well is that it is human to have that, that connection with nature and.
00:43:31.55
Justin
maybe in a way cultivating self-love and appreciation for nature are kind of one and the same. And I'm really relating to what you're talking about, about all of these little decisions we have throughout our our day about, is it coming from love or fear? It's like, I can relate to that because living the way I do, being an entrepreneur, being kind of nomadic, like I've got a home base, but I'm kind of floating around. It's not the most, um I don't know, there's, there's variations, you know, there's ebbs and flows. And I just get to a point where I'm over, I'm over feeling the contractions, something doesn't go my way, I just, I'm not gonna get depressed, or
00:44:29.91
Justin
freak out or stressed out, like it still it still happens to me to some degree, but I'm just over that.
00:44:35.25
fsb
Uh
00:44:37.31
Justin
like I just wanna feel good, even if even if everything's going wrong and I've had times when but everything goes wrong and I get depressed and stressed out and I'm over that.
00:44:47.25
fsb
-huh.
00:44:52.08
Justin
you know it's like even Even if everything goes,
00:44:54.41
fsb
Yeah.
00:44:56.28
Justin
completely wrong. I just, I just want to feel happy, you know, and savor the moment, savor, savor my surroundings.
00:45:03.50
fsb
yeah
00:45:05.50
Justin
Yeah. And I think that that's when we maintain that, we become attuned to the opportunities. And then we actually, everything is a lot more okay than, than we think it is where if somebody is in that fear and contraction and one little thing goes wrong and they react to that. And then that sets them on this, like chain of events with their thinking where then they make another situation worse than it was. And then it just, it gets where everything's contracting. And then they, yeah. Whereas if we just stay relaxed, happy, little ups and downs, but if, but it's all good and we just trust that we're
00:45:52.20
Justin
in the big, bigger picture, we're, we're expanding, you know, we're in a state of expansion, even, even when there are little, I'm doing this like things, it wasn't on camera, like I'm trying to try to do the expansion contraction, you know, in the, in the big, picture there may be little contractions along the way, but we're expanding in the big picture.
00:46:03.13
fsb
Hmm
00:46:13.09
Justin
And, and I'm just reminding myself, I don't need to
00:46:19.42
Justin
worry or or have a bad day or get upset or something if, you know, like, hopefully, I mean, I know that sometimes life really throws us curveballs, but yeah.
00:46:33.41
fsb
Recognizing, like you said, that it's a choice, you know, you can you can see it as a curveball or you can see it as a gift. You know, there's this saying that I've heard before, which is... um Life's rejection is God's redirection, meaning what feels like a bad choice or a shitty day or something like that.
00:46:52.48
fsb
Often when you go back and reflect on those things, those moments in your life, you're your worst possible night when you had to stay awake in McDonald's, it's like, fuck, this is shitty, the world's happening all against me, I suck, but but whatever that is,
00:47:01.74
Justin
Yeah.
00:47:04.69
fsb
yeah The more time you go back and reflect on those and be like, thank God that happened because now I get to live in Mexico and I've started this whole new path, you can suddenly be like, okay, the next time a shitty day comes along, you're like, okay, I've been here before.
00:47:12.82
Justin
Exactly.
00:47:17.71
fsb
Like you said, I'm just going to choose to be happy. i'm yeah ah Yes, you get taken out of your ease. Yes, you thought you were going to make the money and it didn't or you got lost or burgled or You know, but you come to this place of recognizing that life is actually happening for me, not to me.
00:47:31.64
fsb
And when I feel like life is happening for me, suddenly I'm the creator of my reality, meaning life is always showing up to support me.
00:47:31.94
Justin
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:47:38.50
fsb
And that might look like a breakup that might look like. you know feeling sick it might look like certain things but instead of being like oh I'm sick and going into victim I'm like okay I'm sick my perfectly attuned body is giving me a signal that I need to slow down or change what I eat or blah blah blah suddenly I'm like thank thank you thank you for the gift to retake stock yes it sucks being sick but to lie there in victim like you said it gets you into that vibration again which is again fear or love and I'm in fear that I could die what have I done buth bla blah blah blah
00:47:45.18
Justin
Mm-hmm.
00:48:09.35
fsb
You tend to attract more of that, and that's just the law of attraction, the vibrational frequency that you hold in that moment.
00:48:09.92
Justin
Totally,
00:48:14.68
fsb
If you choose love, like you said, you have a bad day, but I'm going to choose to be happy anyway, it soon passes. And that happy vibration attracts more of the same sorts of experiences into your life. And suddenly when you realize you can make that choice between fear and love in every moment, everything shifts there.
00:48:31.80
Justin
totally. totally i Exactly. I was even going to, I was even going to mention like that experience being in McDonald's. It was kind of crappy, obviously at the time, but I don't think I would have sold all my stuff and bought the one we ticket if I had, if that hadn't all happened.
00:48:43.94
fsb
Yep. and finish
00:48:54.10
Justin
Oh, what was I gonna was i going to say? I was Oh yeah. So I, a few weeks ago, I went to a, an ice bath. It was like a breath work ice bath thing Saturday.
00:49:05.02
Justin
And then Sunday was a, a men's Timis gal, which is that's for listeners not aware. That's kind of what they call like a sweat lodge here in Mexico.
00:49:16.49
Justin
And I don't know. Maybe they call that all throughout Latin America, but, um, yeah.
00:49:20.16
fsb
Yes, Tim Iskall here as well.
00:49:22.47
Justin
And I thought that I was like no longer. really felt like a victim very much. I remember when I was like a teenager, kind of like complaining and stuff, like feeling like, oh, poor me. And I thought I was over that. But then when I was in the the ice, it was super intense, and it feels like my hands are gonna fall off or something, and I'm just trying to exhale. And I remember my mind's going, oh, why is it colder for me than for everybody else? This is so unfair.
00:49:56.86
fsb
Interesting.
00:49:57.13
Justin
Ah, like it makes no sense.
00:49:57.90
fsb
yeah
00:50:00.86
Justin
like the yeah Maybe if they just put more ice into the water right before I got in, it makes no sense, basically. But that's what I was thinking. And then the next day, during the 10 mezcal, so we're in we're inside the little hut thing, and there's the it's hot. And there was this moment where it got really hot for a moment, and I thought,
00:50:25.78
Justin
Oh, why is the hot air being blown to me? And it's more relaxed for everybody else, which is it wasn't even like that. And then I was like, I was like, Oh man, maybe that's like, and I can't say I'm completely free of ever feeling like a victim. Like, you know, like, let's say I lost the use of my legs tomorrow. I would be like, Oh, why poor me. I would be to be honest, but I feel like maybe that was like,
00:50:55.66
Justin
that sense of victim like leaving me, like hopefully hopefully the last little bits of it and and as much as possible, you know?
00:51:07.68
fsb
So beautiful, bro.
00:51:07.99
Justin
Yeah.
00:51:08.81
fsb
Yeah, I think it's, I don't think those parts ever go away. I have this way of looking at my reality through this lens of like an inner kingdom, which is I've got all these voices inside my head.
00:51:12.53
Justin
Yeah.
00:51:19.05
fsb
I've got a CEO that's responsible for money and business decisions. I've got a romantic lover who wants to be connecting with women all day long. I've got a King who's in charge of the whole thing.
00:51:30.29
fsb
We also have a victim and a prostitute and a judge and a sabotager. And we have all of these different voices. And I think what you're speaking into is that stuff doesn't go away.
00:51:40.69
fsb
You just recognize that one person inside you as a function of your wounding or our cultural story or the world that we've grown up in has at some point developed a strategy where that was useful for you.
00:51:51.33
fsb
you know To go into victim as a kid meant that my mom gave me love, for example.
00:51:52.14
Justin
Uh huh.
00:51:54.69
fsb
So whenever I feel uncomfortable or I need love, I go into victim. and somebody shows up and saves me, the victim rescuer polarity. you know We also have the ability to be a rescuer.
00:52:03.66
Justin
Yes.
00:52:03.97
fsb
So when you see a lovely lady who's just lost her keys on the street, don't worry, I'll help you and swoop in and save the day. like You can get into an unhealthy relationship pattern where you continually feel like you need to show up and save people to make yourself feel good.
00:52:19.36
fsb
but The awareness of what you're talking about I think is like, okay, there's that voice again.
00:52:20.56
Justin
yes
00:52:23.74
fsb
It doesn't mean that's, i'm like that's not Justin Dale. That's just my victim who comes up from time to time and thinks that the world is out to fuck us up. just listen to it, be aware of it, don't get too involved, let it let it go. You know, what came up for me when you're talking about the super hot tennis skull was like, you've also been there and had a ah super a supernatural experience in a tennis skull, you know? So there's like, the same thing has been a life changing moment and the worst possible moments of my life, you know, just depending on the story and the experience that you're having. And so we just make these stories up all the time and
00:52:56.32
fsb
Yeah, beautiful to recognize that voice inside your experience as it came up in the cold and then again in the sauna.
00:52:58.86
Justin
Yeah.
00:53:03.60
Justin
yeah
00:53:03.57
fsb
It's unfair no matter what.
00:53:05.64
Justin
yeah And that's interesting what you're saying about how we have that savior inside of us, maybe Maybe we all have that. Definitely some people feel that more than other people. And I found that out about myself when I was in Colombia because the poverty is pretty extreme there. And that was at a time in my career where I was in e-commerce and I was making
00:53:38.40
Justin
more than enough money and I wasn't really having to work for it. I was just kind of keeping an eye on things on my phone, maybe sending out an email here and there.
00:53:49.10
fsb
Mm.
00:53:49.43
Justin
And so I kind of felt like it was free money and I was also kind of playing with, you know, it is it is consciousness. It is like this idea of just letting it flow.
00:54:03.44
Justin
It it comes in, it goes out. i'm you know, whatever I give comes back to me or so I thought at the time, but now I realize it was really excessive. And I was indulging in this kind of savior thing.
00:54:20.34
Justin
Like I got something out of it by like being very generous to people. And like maybe partially because I'm a good person, but that's not the whole, that's not the whole thing.
00:54:32.79
Justin
I was getting something out of it as well.
00:54:33.08
fsb
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
00:54:36.03
Justin
and And looking back, and especially because I went through a period of scarcity after that, I'm thinking, what the hell was I thinking? like giving a Giving so much away.
00:54:45.14
fsb
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
00:54:49.53
Justin
And people were kind of actually like lying to me and stuff. And it was weird. And yeah, we definitely have I think some people have this much more than others, but this kind of desire to be like a savior as well as well as a victim.
00:55:06.39
fsb
Mm hmm. Yeah.
00:55:09.40
Justin
Yeah. Speaking of traveling, speaking of traveling, I'm so curious about your story.
00:55:11.09
fsb
So beautiful.
00:55:18.00
Justin
Are you in San Marcos?
00:55:20.92
fsb
Yes.
00:55:22.04
Justin
Yeah, I'm so curious about your story there and I was there a few years ago, and that's where I first got the idea to do the work that I'm doing now.
00:55:31.41
fsb
Hmm.
00:55:33.65
Justin
But what what led you to to making that your your home base?
00:55:42.19
fsb
So I was ah yeah much like you about 2013, 2014. I went through my crisis of meaning. at I think I told you it had been a few years for me to make my decision of like, okay, I want a different life that doesn't suck as much as this. And ah so I got out of my South African chapter in 2014 and I went traveling.
00:56:01.47
fsb
And yeah, much like you when I first arrived in the Philippines, that was the first time I'd been to a tropical beach before and I was just blown away by the beauty and the abundance of stuff and it was, it felt so otherworldly to me. It looked like the cover. There's this DVD series called Lust and it's just like all all these palm trees and stuff and a palm trees and I was like, wow, it feels like I'm in the movie scene of Lust. But anyway, the people were so amazing and I just had all these amazing experiences and so maybe like you I went through this process of traveling the world to find myself and what it started with for me was this, I'd always had like a bucket list of things to do before I die and this was actually one of the things that made me make this choice I was looking at my life in 2013.
00:56:41.01
fsb
I'm like, I'm putting more things onto this list and I'm ticking off and I'm, I'm seeing that I've only got so many hours in my week to do these. I'll go on a skiing trip once a year. I'll do some travel, but then the rest of the time I'm in Johannesburg building my advertising agency.
00:56:54.34
fsb
And it just seemed out of whack. I'm like, these are the things I want to do. And these are the things that I am doing. These don't line up, but that didn't feel good. So my, I left thinking I'm going to come back to South Africa, the normal hero's journey.
00:57:05.44
fsb
I'll be back soon. And then.
00:57:07.16
Justin
Okay.
00:57:07.39
fsb
left South Africa, and I'm like, for the next six months, I'm going to tick off as many things as I can on my bucket list. I'm just going to do it. And so in that six months, I also invest in Bitcoin. Everything changes in my life. I'm having the best time. I'm feeling more in love with myself. I'm connecting with beautiful women. I'm having spiritual experiences. I'm traveling the world. More monies come in in the last, you know,
00:57:28.18
fsb
18 months of being out there so it hadn't already happened but I was you know funds had started to flow in my world and that had been one of the reasons that I said no to traveling for so long because I was like what about the money that was such a strong story for me and I've seen this with a lot of men as well that I've worked with it's like I know I want something else but what about the money what about this what if I burn through my savings
00:57:40.26
Justin
Yeah.
00:57:48.65
fsb
So that was really my my opportunity. So I, I ended up going to like about 40, I've been to 45 different countries. They weren't all in this time, but something about landing in Latin America for the first time.
00:58:00.53
Justin
Mhmm.
00:58:00.60
fsb
I started in Costa Rica. When I arrived at the airport in Costa Rica, I got off the airplane and some part of me just went like, Oh, like I just felt like my nervous system relaxed and I i can't describe it.
00:58:12.53
fsb
I now believe that I potentially lived here in another incarnation, maybe in these lands or somewhere nearby, but some part of me was like, this is where you want to be.
00:58:16.34
Justin
How cool.
00:58:19.84
Justin
Yeah.
00:58:20.83
fsb
And um yeah, so I spent quite a bit of time in Mexico, time in Costa Rica, and I loved my time in Asia. I went to India, Nepal, Thailand, Philippines, all around Sri Lanka.
00:58:32.91
fsb
I did a really beautiful trip there, but I really felt that when I landed in Latin America, there was something about being here for me, which I now. You touched on the chakras and I just want to share that I think for those who understand that there's like sort of more light energies, lighter in terms of their density at the top of the system, like your your crown chakra is maybe a bit more light in energy than your root chakra, which is in your body, like more around your sex center.
00:58:56.18
fsb
where we hold more dense energy, emotions like fear, and more embodied stuff is like in the lower chakras. And I think the world has a chakra system as well, where Asia tends to be more upper chakra, and you notice that, where moving through Europe tends to be more sort of in the the middle chakras.
00:59:15.05
Justin
Yeah.
00:59:14.85
fsb
Central and Latin America, down to South America, tends to be more the the root chakras, the lower chakras.
00:59:18.56
Justin
Wow.
00:59:22.03
fsb
I've also to spent some time understanding my own astrology and I've got double torus in my chart which tends to be more of these like heavy scented energies in my being and I know that to be true because I love pleasures of the body like love making food, exercise, these are things that I love.
00:59:39.52
fsb
I can have an intellectual conversation.
00:59:40.41
Justin
Yeah.
00:59:41.41
fsb
My partner tends to be more upper chakra in her ways and less in the body.
00:59:46.08
Justin
Yeah.
00:59:46.40
fsb
But I think there's something in that. I came to this part of the world and suddenly my body was like, oh, this feels like an energetic resonance to what feels good in my system already. And um so that was what it was like.
00:59:57.36
fsb
And I spent some time in Mexico and I thought I was going to live in Mexico in Oaxaca City.
01:00:03.30
Justin
Oh yeah.
01:00:03.10
fsb
And um Yeah, I came to Guatemala for the second time. I was at a festival on Lake Atitlan for New Year's and I came back to San Marcos for the second time and something about the nature and my experience and I was after six years of travel, all those different countries I mentioned earlier, I was at the stage maybe where you are now, which is like, okay, let me sign a lease for a while and have a home base.
01:00:10.95
Justin
Oh yeah.
01:00:25.53
fsb
And San Marcos felt like it. And so when I made that decision, I was like, cool, I'm going to i'm gonna buy a place here. I'm going to make this my home. And I'll still continue to travel and live my life the way that I am, but this will be my home base. And yeah, bro, within about three weeks of making that decision, I met my partner who's been living here for about 10 years longer than me.
01:00:44.63
fsb
And ah yeah, the universe just gave me all of these signs that this is exactly where I needed to be. And so for the last six years, I've been with my partner, Araminta.
01:00:49.84
Justin
Amazing.
01:00:53.99
Justin
Mmhmm.
01:00:54.11
fsb
We live in this beautiful home on the lake. And um yeah, this is home, bro. I went through the minimalism journey like you, got rid of all my stuff, just a backpack, one pair of shoes, and a pair of flip-flops. That was my jam.
01:01:05.48
fsb
And now I'm back into a place where I've got ah a home studio and a motorbike and a car and three animals. And yeah, just back into like a slightly different rhythm again.
01:01:11.75
Justin
Nice.
01:01:13.36
fsb
But yeah, we still travel a lot.
01:01:14.10
Justin
Yeah.
01:01:15.55
fsb
We've made the decision not to have kids. And um my partner is a transformational retreat space holder, specifically sort of in the Tantra space.
01:01:21.53
Justin
Amazing.
01:01:25.19
fsb
So we do similar work, although in different spheres, we overlap a little bit. But um yeah, our decision is just to be here and to enjoy the nature and a slow pace of life and yeah, continue to share the magic of what we're both creating with the world.
01:01:40.23
Justin
amazing Yeah, and it's such a special place. So my, so I, I was talking about like, I flew to Cancun stayed there for two nights, came down to Playa del Carmen.
01:01:53.67
Justin
I think I spent past lives in in Latin America. I don't claim to like, have past life's memories or anything. I don't, I kind of tend to lean towards it's real, but who knows.
01:01:59.03
fsb
Me neither, yeah.
01:02:08.42
Justin
So the guy that I rented, did room from for the first month in Plano del Carmen. He's actually the owner of this house that I'm living in now. he He doesn't live here. He lives like a few blocks away. We're really good friends.
01:02:26.38
Justin
So I remember showing after I booked the place on Airbnb, I showed my mom, I was like, mom, you got to see this host of where I'm going to be staying. This buffed guy with long hair on a yacht.
01:02:39.78
Justin
And my mom goes, oh yeah, well that's a fake photo. And I go, oh, true, true, it's probably a fake photo. And and so then the time comes to meet up for me to figure out how to go from Cancun to Playa del Carmen, which back then was like a big, a big thing for me.
01:02:59.72
Justin
Like just navigating through Latin America was challenging for me, like figuring out like, okay, how do I get to the bus?
01:03:04.08
fsb
Yeah.
01:03:05.78
Justin
How do I know what bus to get on? Now I can laugh about it because it's so easy. It's more easy than in Canada because you just kind of give them some cash and off you go in Canada.
01:03:10.29
fsb
ah huh And your DNA.
01:03:15.63
Justin
They have to, I don't even know what, probably take your credit card and sign you up for exactly. Yeah. cause that's sort of right That's what I mean. Scan your retinas. And um and so, so I'm taking the bus to,
01:03:34.96
Justin
down to Playa and he's telling me, okay, I asked the driver to lay off on the highway. and And so I did, I managed to figure it out. And then he pulls up and I'm like, there he is. he's It's the dude from the picture.
01:03:47.17
fsb
The fake photo.
01:03:47.66
Justin
He's a body. Yeah, he's real. it he's He's incredible. He's it's magnificent. He's like the Latino Fabio or like a young Fabio or something.
01:03:57.83
fsb
Uh, cool.
01:03:59.18
Justin
Am I saying that name? You know, like the famous male model.
01:04:02.09
fsb
Hmm.
01:04:03.06
Justin
and um And yeah, we've just been friends ever since. And I've kind of felt like maybe we knew each other in past lives or something like that. And, and with that idea of like, um being awake to the magic of life.
01:04:13.89
fsb
Interesting.
01:04:21.43
Justin
Growing up in Canada, where my eccentric dad was kind of sharing these ideas with me and my brothers, they were very different from what the other kids at school were, their reality. And so I wanted to fit in and like I switched schools when I was young and I went from being very popular, self-assured, et cetera, et cetera into a brand new environment where I didn't really fit in as well. I wasn't, I didn't have high status like I was used to.
01:04:54.17
Justin
So I was very concerned about kind of fitting in. and And so then for me, first I moved to a different part of Canada, this the little town called Nelson, British Columbia.
01:04:57.99
fsb
Mhm.
01:05:03.70
Justin
It's like a hippie place.
01:05:05.00
fsb
Yeah, yeah.
01:05:06.18
Justin
And then, and that was really cool to be kind of around more people living in the same reality as me kind of. But then moving to Latin America, it's like the magic of life is just a given.
01:05:20.64
Justin
every everywhere we go, all the people around us, say they're just living living in that reality. At the same time, there is massive poverty and scarcity here, despite their understanding of, they're kind of like innate recognition of um interconnectedness and divinity and and everything happens for a reason and stuff like that. At the same time they're,
01:05:56.04
Justin
often they do so struggle with, you know, being abundant here, but they live in a beautiful, they live, I'm sharing that reality with them.
01:06:02.14
fsb
Mmhmm.
01:06:07.22
Justin
And so I've traveled, so I started off in Playa del Carmen, and then I was there for a couple months, then I went down to Tulum for a month, and then I went down into southern Mexico, Chiapas and Oaxaca,
01:06:19.63
Justin
And then up to Baja California and then up to Los Angeles. And I i accidentally discovered Oaxaca City during that time because I was in Puerto Escondido.
01:06:33.20
Justin
And then I was going to go meet a friend in Baja California.
01:06:33.23
fsb
Yep.
01:06:37.07
Justin
And I then discovered that I couldn't really fly or take a bus or anything from Puerto Escondido to Baja.
01:06:42.97
fsb
First off.
01:06:47.38
Justin
It was like, I'd have a layover in Los Angeles. It like made no sense. So then I realized, sorry, phone call, constantly being harassed. Then I realized I could just take a bus to Oaxaca City and then fly from there.
01:07:03.52
Justin
And that was the best way. And then I was like, well, I might as well give myself like an extra day just to check out a new place.
01:07:08.81
fsb
Uh-huh.
01:07:09.31
Justin
And then to my total surprise, it's such a beautiful, vibrant city. I love it.
01:07:13.45
fsb
It's Friday.
01:07:13.96
Justin
I want to go back there for a Day of the Dead, one of these years.
01:07:16.39
fsb
Mm, that's where I was for Day of the Day, that's amazing.
01:07:19.49
Justin
Awesome. And then so I was, I forget, kind of doing my thing. Excuse me. And then at some point I went down to Guatemala. I think not Guatemala, Guatemala the country and during that time I was at a bit of a crossroads with work because The initial thing that I was doing for money when I first moved to Mexico, i so I was like doing marketing for an e-commerce company and the tech support guy, we were selling electronics.
01:07:50.59
Justin
One guy, his job was to help customers if they phoned in and they didn't they didn't know how to set things up. He was starting like a side hustle, him and his cousin.
01:07:56.46
fsb
Okay.
01:07:59.87
Justin
And I was pretty skeptical about their thing, but It was a little bit of extra money, but also I was at a ah point where I felt like I wasn't really fitting in with people and I just kind of wanted to make friends. So I was helping him set up this business and he's like, we're going to be making so much money so soon that I was kind of, I don't know, I'll believe it when I see it. And then like I get to Mexico and a few weeks later, he's like, Hey, I've got 1500 bucks for you. We're making tons of money now. Here's your cut. I was like, okay, this is sweet. And so that for the first six months,
01:08:31.27
Justin
That was how I earned my living. And then there's different chapters along the way.
01:08:35.55
fsb
Mm hmm.
01:08:37.87
Justin
And then during the pandemic, I got involved in selling medical masks as an e-commerce entrepreneur. And that was crazy. We sold like $6 million of medical masks.
01:08:50.12
Justin
But when I went to Guatemala, that was a, I was at a crossroads. It was like kind of things were not really working out. I was kind of between projects and I just thought, OK, I'm going to take a break from from work and trying to make something happen.
01:09:06.11
Justin
I'm just going to take a break and see what happens. And I thought that Guatemala was going to be really cheap. Turns out it's more expensive than and Mexico. But my thinking was I'm going to go I'm going to go a little south where it's less developed, less expensive.
01:09:20.20
Justin
And I'm just going to chill out and wait for a sign from the universe or something.
01:09:25.95
fsb
Mm-hmm.
01:09:26.27
Justin
And so I took a bus through down through Belize to Flores in the north. Hung out there for a little bit. Beautiful place. Then I went to Samu Xame, I think it's called.
01:09:39.68
fsb
Yep. Yep. So much champagne.
01:09:41.98
Justin
Yeah, right in the middle with these incredible caves and downtown Tigua and then out to the lake and somewhere along the line I heard about San Marcos and because I think I started
01:09:53.32
fsb
Yeah.
01:09:55.44
Justin
I think what it was was I started meeting people in Antigua, which is at the city. It's like this beautiful city in in Guatemala and like other travelers at hostels and stuff. And then I was seeing them posting stuff from San Marcos.
01:10:08.13
Justin
There's all these hippies dancing around fires. And I was kind of like, what's this song what's all these crazy hippie parties that everybody's going to?
01:10:12.12
fsb
yeah
01:10:15.08
Justin
Where is that? And then people are like, oh, you mean San Marcos. You've got to get out to San Marcos on the lake and like on lake at at the Glen. I was like, yeah, that's where I'm going. And so then I went out there for a while and such rich experiences.
01:10:30.48
Justin
I kind of had to get away from sometimes. It was almost too much. So I'd go across to, what's it called, San Juan or something?
01:10:36.78
fsb
San Juan or San Pedro, yeah, there's two different places, there a are a couple places around the lake, yeah.
01:10:42.67
Justin
Yeah, just for it, I'd go over there for a night or two just because the vibe is so intense. But that's actually where I came up with original concept of what I do now it took me a while I put on the back burner because I got back into e-commerce for a few years during the pandemic and a little bit after the pandemic but at the time I was doing marketing for a dating coach and um I was picking up little freelance jobs here and there I was doing a website for a therapist and
01:11:18.54
Justin
And I kind of forget, but then I started thinking, you know what, what I really love is this like personal transformation space, working with coaches. But I want to, oh yeah, and I think I'd started becoming obsessed with the books by Russell Brunson, who is a really famous internet marketer.
01:11:38.66
fsb
Yeah, babe.
01:11:39.13
Justin
And I was like, I want to actually not just do marketing for coaches, I want to like become a coach.
01:11:45.56
fsb
Okay.
01:11:46.85
Justin
and like teach them these these amazing marketing principles that I'm learning and kind of start to become a speaker and a content creator. And then at the time I thought I was going to call it Apollo marketing.
01:12:01.97
Justin
And now now I my brand name is Tribe Builders.
01:12:06.91
Justin
But that was kind of it was in San Marcos where the original vision came to me and then and then it kind of was
01:12:13.22
fsb
feel
01:12:14.33
Justin
And then I was thinking, you know, I think I want this to be like a men's thing, like a little bit later, but okay.
01:12:20.92
fsb
So share with you share with you what you have with us. What is it that you now define what you do?
01:12:26.47
Justin
okay So I, I help men's transformation coaches build online businesses. And so I teach them like effective marketing strategies to get clients.
01:12:33.64
fsb
Awesome.
01:12:39.40
Justin
Um, lately I've been really focusing on helping people kind of become creatively free to to express themselves, create content, stuff like that.
01:12:53.24
Justin
That's kind of been my focus the last few weeks kind of. And it all started in San Marcos because it's such a rich community of coaches, teachers, and healers.
01:13:06.92
fsb
Mm hmm. Yeah.
01:13:08.13
Justin
Yeah, and I've been meaning to get back down there.
01:13:10.78
fsb
Beautiful, brother.
01:13:11.18
Justin
Sometimes I'll,
01:13:11.54
fsb
Well, when you do, yeah you have a men's coach you can hang out with and we can yeah go on some adventures. And ah yeah, man, thank you for for doing that work, because, um you know, I've been building my business over the last few years, and I've read all the books as well.
01:13:23.71
fsb
And I've been pretty much on a solo journey until they're probably the last five years where I've really invested heavily in coaches.
01:13:30.90
Justin
Mm hmm.
01:13:31.00
fsb
To really just i a hold me to account, make sure I'm doing the right things, the things that matter, measuring the things that matter most. And ah yeah, but it's, you know, it's not an easy path.
01:13:39.88
Justin
Oh,
01:13:40.51
fsb
If you don't know exactly where to go and there's a lot of information out there and you know, the challenge with not having somebody that has one plan.
01:13:44.40
Justin
yeah.
01:13:47.30
fsb
is you go onto the internet and you end up you know taking two or three different approaches and trying to blend them together.
01:13:49.50
Justin
Mm
01:13:52.44
fsb
And then your marketing message is not clean. And with all the best intentions of wanting to serve the world as a men's coach or a healer of whatever, you know if you can't pay the bills, you're not an effective coach.
01:13:55.66
Justin
hmm.
01:14:03.15
fsb
That's how it works. And so you have to get all of these pieces right in order for it to to line up.
01:14:04.72
Justin
I like that.
01:14:08.66
fsb
And so it doesn't help being a poor coach. You can't share your gifts. And so, yeah, thank you for doing this work, brother.
01:14:13.48
Justin
I love that. Yeah, yeah, I love it. I feel so fulfilled. And when I first started, I thought, okay, I've got a lot to offer because I'd already been like the director of marketing for an e-commerce business. I was, I'd been a web designer at Playboy for three years.
01:14:33.87
Justin
I was doing marketing for the dating coach. I was like, I'm, I'm a professional at this stuff. I'm an expert at this stuff. And then when I actually became a coach myself and I was like, okay, I'm going to go get clients and create content.
01:14:47.40
Justin
I was like, okay, I've actually got a lot to learn. And, um, one, so my mom was in labor with me for 16 hours.
01:14:51.63
fsb
Mm-hmm.
01:14:58.44
Justin
Like I didn't get my driver's license until I was 23. Like, even though I have this gift for taking these big leaps of faith that pay off, sometimes I'm, so my point is that I was about to say it.
01:15:09.14
fsb
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Your mom was in labor with you for 16 hours. You didn't get your driver's license until you were 23. How do those two link together?
01:15:18.97
Justin
My point is that even though like I take, I have this gift and this ability to take big leaps of faith or, but also transitions in my life are
01:15:19.60
fsb
yeah
01:15:30.71
Justin
long, slow, painful and drawn out, you know?
01:15:32.51
fsb
Got it got it. Sorry. I thought I thought you just drop that internet to come on to a different trade ah Sorry my better
01:15:39.60
Justin
Yeah, hopefully I was just about to make it all make sense, which is that that was my point is that like, um because that was a big change for me, right to commit to having my own business as opposed to kind of working for clients or stuff like that to really And I've, I had some blockages with that.
01:16:02.04
Justin
And I realized I had so much to learn and, um, I kind of struggled in the beginning. And so the dating coach that he did marketing for, he already had, uh, an email list of like 30,000 people.
01:16:16.67
Justin
He was already, he was already, he'd already been in business for like 20 years or something.
01:16:16.87
fsb
Okay.
01:16:20.23
Justin
So it's different starting from scratch and.
01:16:21.13
fsb
Okay.
01:16:25.71
Justin
So i I went through a lot of spinning my wheels, despite the fact that I'd already had to have a degree in new media and worked in the corporate world and marketing for a long time. And despite that, it was still really challenging. And so for people that feel the calling to to be a coach or a facilitator or whatever, and and serve others and go all in on their passion, it's really hard to to figure it out on on your own.
01:16:55.17
Justin
Some people seem to do it with a lot more grace than other people, but to do it with a mentor or in a group of other people that are kind of walking the same path and ideally all of that, I think is is absolutely invaluable.
01:16:55.12
fsb
Yeah.
01:17:09.67
fsb
yeah
01:17:11.38
Justin
And so that's what i'm that's what my work is about, is is being providing that to people. And I absolutely love it. And I feel like I'm just getting started being at it for about a year and a half. In the beginning though um I was still involved in e-commerce and I was just kind of doing this as a hobby almost like starting to record videos and put them on YouTube and kind of testing the waters. And then suddenly I don't know where the rug was pulled out from under my feet. And then I was kind of all in on this and
01:17:49.94
Justin
There was kind of a period of difficult times and before I kind of got my bearings. And and now it's now it's going really great.
01:18:00.12
Justin
And it's just it so amazing to be living living this life.
01:18:03.64
fsb
and
01:18:08.00
Justin
Yeah.
01:18:07.94
fsb
Brother, thank you so much for doing this work. I mean, it's so necessary. um Men's work is I believe men's work is today where meditation was in the West 20 or 30 years ago.
01:18:19.22
fsb
I think every tech CEO that's worth their weight as a, as ah an established leader in Silicon Valley has a meditation practice. And it's pretty commonplace now that this is an important part of the journey.
01:18:27.69
Justin
Yeah!
01:18:30.83
fsb
And so, you know, spaces where men can come together and speak authentically what's allowed for them. week after week as a men's circle or a group of men coming together, I actually see it as part of my own personal hygiene practice, meaning I need to go to a space where we have a secure container where I can speak about what's alive in my world to be able to bring it out because a lot of the stuff spins in your head and if you don't take the time to speak it out, you don't get the reflection of the men that you trust around you.
01:18:57.94
fsb
And you end up holding it all yourself. You also don't receive the reflection of the other men who share their own journeys and struggles and challenges. And I'm sure you've come across the men's work saying, which is, my work is your work. Meaning when we're in a circle, when you stand up and talk about your money story or getting stuck in McDonald's and you're like,
01:19:10.25
Justin
you
01:19:13.84
fsb
Suddenly i'm like oh fuck i've had one of those things and so when you share something and do the work not only is it transformational for you as the person sharing because it feels like you putting down all of this weight and feeling more light and liberated and in many ways he'll been integrated as a function of just sharing it and being witnessed in a non judgmental way from men.
01:19:33.20
fsb
but also the other men that are receiving it are holding the space for you. But it's medicine for for me as well to hear you say that because I'm like, ah, I'm not the only dude who went through a midlife crisis in my 30s and was looping in my own stories of not enough or whatever that was. And so, yeah, I really see this technology as coming out into the world and being more and more accessible. And so, yeah, the work that you're doing is is hugely important. And I just want to say thank you for taking the time to hold the space because this is Yeah, it's coming, it's a big wave, and um the analogy I have with my team is it's like, this wave is coming, whether we're part of it or not, you're s seeing it in your work, I have no doubts.
01:20:08.30
fsb
Men are like, ah, they heal, they get the feeling, they see an opportunity, there's a potential to do it.
01:20:08.75
Justin
Yeah.
01:20:13.41
fsb
We need more soldiers in the in this army. And so, yeah, bring more integrated men to the world, men that feel okay with themselves, men that love themselves more. And this is a way to be able to do it.
01:20:24.84
fsb
even though we spend time in men only spaces, it has nothing to do with just being men only. It's so that I can come out and be in a world as a ah better lover, as a better leader, you know, for some men as a better parent or a better husband.
01:20:36.76
fsb
Like those pieces are the reason that you go into the men's work circle. That's the reason you sit on your meditation cushion every day. It's so that you can come more clearly to the things that matter in your life.
01:20:43.20
Justin
Mm-hmm.
01:20:46.11
fsb
And so this analogy is that this wave is coming and my work at the moment is to get our team set up and ready so that we're paddling solidly onto this wave and when it comes that we're standing on the wave as it starts to cruise because it's coming and i can feel it and i just you know there's a version of me from the past which is oh no here's another menswear coach fuck maybe i should do something else you know this is too much or you know we don't need another blah blah blah and now i'm like
01:21:02.82
Justin
Wow.
01:21:14.81
fsb
moved away from that space of being like in competition with other men and having a conversation with you who is in inverted commas, my direct competition. I have a program called Ignition that I'm running right now that helps men and women supporting them to bring their magic.
01:21:26.95
Justin
No way. I'm calling i the next thing I'm adding to the course component of my system is I'm calling it ignition.
01:21:31.03
fsb
What's that?
01:21:40.33
fsb
Well, bro, and then my my membership, my membership, my men's membership is called Tribe. You know, we've actually called it Tribe for the same reason and you have a business that's called Tribe Builders, that's your brand.
01:21:46.41
Justin
Oh, okay. Yeah.
01:21:50.79
Justin
Yeah.
01:21:50.72
fsb
You know, I think that these um these ideas come through the collective at a specific time and people take the magic and run with it.
01:21:56.18
Justin
Yeah. Yeah.
01:21:59.37
fsb
So the idea of men's work and tribes and training and ignition and these words tend to be like a part of the collective story and we're,
01:22:05.63
Justin
see It's Australian people getting ready for this VLC. Gracias.
01:22:16.63
fsb
Just unmute yourself there, brother. I wanted to...
01:22:23.68
fsb
There's a mute button on the bottom of the of your track. There we go.
01:22:30.51
Justin
How is it now?
01:22:30.80
fsb
Back on. Yeah, good. Sweet.
01:22:32.77
Justin
Okay. Okay, cool.
01:22:33.25
fsb
Just this idea that these ideas come through, you know, and if you if you hear the calling, run with it, flow with the the the idea if you feel the call. you know And don't be don't be upset or disappointed if other people have similar names or similar brands.
01:22:47.55
Justin
Yeah.
01:22:47.55
fsb
Just get in the wave and you know if I can help because that's what it feels like for me being in service.
01:22:51.44
Justin
Yeah.
01:22:52.52
fsb
And so, yeah, brother, I just wanted to to say thank you for doing this work and for yeah making those hard choices that have got you to this life path that you're on of being in service.
01:22:53.98
Justin
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:23:03.43
fsb
And yeah, I've just been excellent hanging out with you today.
01:23:05.27
Justin
Yeah.
01:23:06.94
fsb
Thank you.
01:23:07.74
Justin
yes Yeah, it's, yeah, it's been awesome. ah Some of the things you said are just really sticking with me and, um, I really appreciate you.
01:23:17.14
fsb
Can you share one?
01:23:19.43
Justin
Um, you said something like, how did you put it? You can't be, there's, there's no good, there's no good being a broke coach.
01:23:29.54
fsb
Oh, yes. yeah Thank you.
01:23:30.88
Justin
I was like, that's so, it's so simple, but it's like, you know, it's, it's, yeah. And there, there's much more, but, um, that's the one that was right, right, right at hand.
01:23:38.24
fsb
now That's what I wanted to hear. Thank you.
01:23:40.28
Justin
Yeah. And, and then it was, it made me feel so good when you were like acknowledging the work I'm doing and it made me realize that I never had to compromise between.
01:23:53.13
Justin
Do I want to be an entrepreneur and, and build wealth or do I want to be, um, in service to humanity and do something that's creatively fulfilling because what I'm doing now is full on with both of these things.
01:24:11.49
Justin
Like the sky's the limit with both. And so it's so beautiful.
01:24:14.64
fsb
Right.
01:24:17.04
Justin
And then also the competition thing, like, so I've got a Facebook group and sometimes business coaches will join and I'll be like, Oh, I better not let them in there.
01:24:28.11
Justin
They might, they might poach. coach my leads.
01:24:31.68
fsb
and
01:24:32.10
Justin
And sometimes the really kind of cookie cutter business coaches, I kind of don't let in, it's pretty rare, but what I like is people that are so, it's so like, they've made such a like ah personal thing that they're so unique.
01:24:56.75
Justin
You know, and yes, they're helping entrepreneurs grow their businesses, but it's so their own thing that they're not really competitors. And that's what I'm aspiring to be with what I do. Like, I don't want to be just the 1 millionth person being like, I'm going to help you scale to $10,000 a month.
01:25:17.51
Justin
using my patented system, my try builder method system. Like I want it to be like, it's so, um, such a unique thing, but still very effective, like not eccentric, not, um, compromising the ability to get results for people, but to the point where it's like, there is no competition because, um,
01:25:22.00
fsb
Mm
01:25:45.22
Justin
we're doing our own thing to such an extent that it's like maybe we help people get some of the similar results, but it's so different because I'm me or you.
01:25:48.02
fsb
-hmm
01:25:54.65
fsb
from Yeah.
01:25:56.29
Justin
Some of the other guys that we probably both know, they're kind of helping people grow businesses, helping other coaches and stuff, but I don't really even see them as competition because, uh, and I'm actually curious about their, their,
01:26:11.70
Justin
material like I'd like to sign up for some of their stuff and see and I'm sure it's like just so different than what I'm doing. Yeah.
01:26:20.10
fsb
It's that big wave. you know We're on the top of this big wave and you can you can we can argue about which drop we're going to fight over, or you can fucking paddle out and make sure that you're standing and ready when the wave starts to break. and The best way to do that from what I can see is to focus on the things that are uniquely mine to do. and you know Noticing what those are and showing up for those is mine to do. I'll notice I do this myself. you know like Anytime I'm like, oh, what is he doing? i'm you know um In some ways, there's um there's something about going out to learn and keeping an eye on the market.
01:26:49.41
fsb
But in many ways, I'm like, dude, just stay in your lane.
01:26:49.64
Justin
there Yeah.
01:26:51.77
fsb
Just, you know what you need to do. You've got your stuff. I've got my own programs. I've got my stuff. Just keep doing it, you know? And in fact, see if you can co-create, see if we can leverage together, see if we can have a podcast with this guy because there'll be magic for both of us.
01:27:04.23
fsb
in articulating this I get to hear what you're doing you get to hear what I'm doing and each of our individual offerings to our own unique tribe and to the collective is better because we had this conversation and got to share some of the stuff that you've blown my mind with today and some of the stuff that I've said that's resonated with you you know both of us are better for having spent this time together where in the past I would have been like oh fuck here's another men's coach you know and so yeah just really leaning into the collaboration rather than competition is a core principle of
01:27:27.86
Justin
Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
01:27:34.35
fsb
at Father, Son's Brothers is to um yeah i recognize that we don't have to compete with one another. that's and That's an old model of immature masculinity.
01:27:41.99
Justin
Yeah.
01:27:43.43
fsb
The mature masculine is like, we're all fucking kings.
01:27:43.74
Justin
Yep.
01:27:47.00
Justin
Mm hmm.
01:27:46.94
fsb
There's work to be done in the world. We spoke about the planet and the state of politics and all the stuff that needs to be fixed. How do we work together and build strong networks of men that are showing up doing the work so that they can be better fathers, brothers, husbands, lovers, leaders, and how do we support them to do that? While at the same time recognizing I've still got my own work to do, you know, my men's circle is a massive growth opportunity for my personal development, because I'm surrounded by men that I want to spend my time with. fuck Thank you. That's the biggest gift in the world. And I get to realize my own shadows and my own traumas and my own stuff coming up being in service to these other men. And it's called me to being a better person. So yeah, bro, it's a
01:28:27.43
fsb
It's a collaboration and I'm really just getting to that place of, yes, there's healthy competition. I'm interested to know how much people are making and I have my own goals and stuff, but I don't feel us competing and I don't feel like there's not enough for all of us because we came back to it. We've both been to this place of realizing we don't need so much to live. It's it's more about making an impact and supporting in a way that I can where I've been in service. That feels more important to me. And then I trust that the money will come.
01:28:53.31
Justin
Yeah, absolutely. Collaboration, abundance, making making ourselves, making what we're doing,
01:28:56.95
fsb
Hmm.
01:29:02.55
Justin
so us that there's nothing else out there like it or if it is the same as other stuff that's great too because like you're saying we're all tapping into the same same ball of light and it's all good that we're both using the word tribe and ignition and it's all good because your version of tribe and ignition is different than my version of tribe and ignition and you've got your people and I've got my people and
01:29:21.27
fsb
Yeah, absolutely.
01:29:32.39
Justin
And like, let's say I've got a client who they're paying me to work with me and then they go to some other coach and then I lose that.
01:29:42.87
Justin
Well, that's okay because clients are good clients want to work with different people. Like, like not, I think it's good to to kind of work with one person as opposed to, but, but basically it's not like they're our client forever.
01:29:50.55
fsb
Mm hmm.
01:29:58.27
Justin
and Nobody else can have them and they own, they're only ever going to pay for it.
01:30:00.65
fsb
It's the same as a normal relationship. Yeah, like if you have a girlfriend, and you're like, this is mine forever, it starts to get a bit creepy, you know, you're hopefully here, because you want to be here, and we're getting value from this.
01:30:03.60
Justin
Yeah Yeah,
01:30:10.63
fsb
But if you choose to leave at some point, then I send you away with love, whatever that works out. Yeah, I agree with that thinking.
01:30:16.54
Justin
yeah the really good clients are willing to invest and and learn here and then learn there and we all have different things to offer and It's all good. Yeah
01:30:26.82
fsb
Beautiful brothers, where can somebody connect with you if they want to learn more about what you're doing?
01:30:33.27
Justin
Um, so they can find me on, um, Facebook at Justin Dale or Instagram at I am Justin Dale.
01:30:45.08
Justin
All no underscores or anything like that. And, um, I do have a website, try builder.net as well.
01:30:52.87
fsb
Awesome.
01:30:53.46
Justin
So yeah, and I'd love to hear from anybody.
01:30:54.10
fsb
We've got those details. We'll put them straight in the in the show notes. So anybody that wants to connect with you can, ah yeah, I can connect with you on socials or check out trial builders.
01:31:03.35
Justin
Wonderful. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me and thanks for a great conversation.
01:31:07.74
fsb
Yeah, it's been amazing, brother. Yeah. And thank you for the work you're doing. I'm part of your Facebook group and yeah, I'm keeping an eye on what's happening there. And this is where this conversation came out from. You were talking about podcasting and yeah, we also invited me to something recently, which I didn't have capacity for, but yeah,
01:31:18.81
Justin
Yeah.
01:31:23.13
fsb
Our vortexes have been sort of overlapping and this conversation feels like a great chance for us to to bring it together.
01:31:25.79
Justin
They sure have.
01:31:28.70
fsb
So thanks for making the time, brother.
01:31:31.18
Justin
Yeah, my pleasure. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna take you up on that offer to hang out in, in Guatemala. It's just a matter of time before I'm down there again.
01:31:39.21
fsb
Sweet. I appreciate you, brother.
01:31:40.52
Justin
Yeah. Yeah.
01:31:42.64
fsb
Much love. Thanks for coming on the show.
01:31:44.13
Justin
Much love. Yeah. Thanks for having me.
01:31:46.89
fsb
Thanks everybody for checking out this episode. If you are interested in journeying more with Justin, make sure that you check out his links in the show notes. For those of you who are here for the first time, make sure you check out the King's Circle. This is our free online men's circle that takes place on the last Sunday of every single month. Details for that will also be in the show notes, and we'll see you on the next episode. Thanks, Justin. Ciao, ciao, brother.
