#23 How to Develop Exponential Human Potential - with Craig Haywood

April 26, 2023

Today’s guest Craig Haywood is a high performer. A top healer and chiropractor, and entrepreneur on the Gold Coast in Australia, he shares his process for human optimisation by thinking about how we think.

Craig and Gareth discuss a tool based on archetypes and how you can use it to track your shadow, limiting beliefs and addictions. They also talk about why men can develop co-dependent relationships with cannabis.

Craig also shares his journey of switching to a carnivore diet and how that healed a lifelong autoimmune disease.

It’s a cracker episode thanks for checking it out.

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About our guest:

Craig grew up in South Africa, and after a life changing experience with his sausage dog, he found himself in the healing arts. A generally unhappy childhood, full of insecurities, anxiety, weight issues, a serious autoimmune issue, and rather disillusioned with the status quo of the ‘healthcare’ system, created a drive for growth and a fierce curiosity about life, which lead to him moving to the Netherlands to broaden his horizons. Here he came in contact with some of the world’s leading minds in health and healthcare (as opposed to sick care) which changed the way he thinks about the human condition as a whole, and how communication, health, neurology, spirituality and happiness intertwine in a magical way. He now lives in the beautiful Gold Coast, Australia with his wife, where he practices his art and runs a business with her.

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Episode Transcript

00:00.00
calltocourage
Hello welcome to the call to courage podcast I'm Gareth Pickering and my guest today is a dear brother from Australia south african in Australia Craig Hayward good afternoon. So.

00:12.32
Craig
Yes, It's awesome to be. Ah, it's yeah I was saying to you just before we got on I was like you've had such amazing guests on already and there was a little bit of intimidation that was coming through for me there because I just thought how how how deep some people have gone how switched on some people are but. As always, you're ah, an amazing buddy and and just full of supports and so I'm really excited to have a chat with you and and your audience.

00:32.30
calltocourage
Thank you bro? Yeah and I I think some of the depth that I feel like you and I have had conversations on in the past is not only the reason that why we're deep friends and allies. But the reason that I want to have a conversation with you here. So there's. Yeah, bro, you have many gifts and I'm super super jazzed to have this conversation I want to I want to share coming in here today I looked at my day and I was like oh I've got a coaching session in the morning that should finish it too and I had the sense that my day was pretty much done. It was over. And so I noticed myself engaging with cannabis and then recognizing that I'm going to have a podcast with you and I was like oh fuck I don't normally smoke before I jump on the podcast and I'm like well this is just how it's meant to be today. So ah.

01:17.40
Craig
Um, what's a you should have told me I could have been jazzed up. We could have you know run on a debt on a different level.

01:25.46
calltocourage
You can while you're welcome to join me if you want to? how's that we actually had conversations about our our journey with Cannabis. What's how's that for you at the moment. How's your relationship with.

01:31.92
Craig
It's morning in Australia I got to still work my go to work everybody.

01:44.11
calltocourage
Beautiful plant and like how you feeling with it I know you your last voice and I said you were having a break from it or yeah sleeping in your own bed.

01:48.82
Craig
Um, yeah, it's ah yeah, we've we've danced around this a few times. It's been been awesome and it and I think this is one of the the awesome things about our friendship and and good friends in general is that there's always a sense of.

02:07.80
Craig
Questioning everything and and being able to do so in ah in a sort of safe space. Um, but safe to a point you know there's There's also that that place where your brother will will um, answer the ah sort of ask the direct questions that sometimes they realize that you need and and maybe you don't even and I know. Ah, we we have that sort of friendship which I'm you know, eternally grateful grateful for um and that includes things like you know on the surface level. It's sometimes really easy to to just say oh yeah I smoke a joint every now and then and and what's the harm and and you know I've done it for a long time. It feels good and and I and I feel relaxed and I feel. Creative and I feel you know and every now and then I know we you know as you said we've had this conversation like is that True. You know that's ah for me that's been a really valuable phrase that I ask other people sometimes and I ask myself as well like is that true and I yeah I think.

02:52.55
calltocourage
And.

03:05.22
Craig
Every now and then it's um, Cannabis and all sorts of things that alter our state in some of our chemistry on some level can ah can have a polar you know it's always.. There's always a polarity to things and ah. And I think if we can sort of anticipate that with with everything we can have an honest conversation about certain things and so yeah I mean we you know we.

03:32.45
calltocourage
By polarity. You mean you mean it could become an addiction. You could become a dependency for you. Ah, ah.

03:36.46
Craig
Yes, but also just a good and a bad side. You know like or ah or ah like that's what that's more what I was thinking is there's this like this aspect that that's always going to be beautiful and there's of course the more beautiful something is that the darker or the deeper the the polarity to that thing is and.

03:55.60
calltocourage
Um.

03:55.25
Craig
Um, and I think that's kind of what I was meaning so it's It's always easy to for us to cherry pick the things that are that that are serving us from these things but and but that's where these kind of conversations which we which we typically have on a fairly regular basis are really good. So yeah I was off the.

04:01.80
calltocourage
But.

04:11.92
calltocourage
Um.

04:13.18
Craig
Was off the weed and the coffee for for the for the month of February and it was a great experiment. You know I I was getting into a bit of a habit you know Thursday night was the night and and then you know we'd kick back and have a have a join and and.

04:18.54
calltocourage
Um, well done.

04:32.14
Craig
Usually try and try and do something with it like have some intention behind it. Not just you know, sit back and and escape from the world. You know sometimes that's valuable too I'm not not denying how good that can be but um, maybe a bit of yoga minute meditation. But what tends to happen is that one? Well I found out.

04:37.56
calltocourage
Um, awesome.

04:45.23
calltocourage
Man.

04:50.75
Craig
Myself slipping into ah a bit of a pattern of just more zoning out. Um and just not being present and and using that as some kind of ah an escape from ah like a fucking busy day or whatever it is um and and I think that's when I was like well this is I don't how how is that really serving me. Um I just.

04:52.92
calltocourage
Okay.

05:00.20
calltocourage
Is.

05:08.43
Craig
Checking out a few hours of my day and and and um, not that one needs to always be productive but you know you need to you need to kind of question easy. So anyway month of fair none of that no coffee. The coffee was more challenging than the weed to be honest, so that was fucking hard the stimulants. Um they they challenged me.

05:20.79
calltocourage
Um, really well.

05:26.49
calltocourage
What did you notice.

05:27.37
Craig
Ah, quite quite hard not having um I just noticed ah headaches there. Ah some physical manifestations of of the sort of addictions if you will I don't have I'm not like a heavy coffee drinker but I noticed that these are things these are tools that once again are so commonplace that one doesn't really.

05:46.58
calltocourage
Um, yeah.

05:46.65
Craig
Think twice about it. You know I mean you just got off I have my coffee in the morning crack on with the day. Um, and that's also Fine. You know once again, all these things take it with a grain of salt like that's nothing. There's nothing wrong with that. But every now and then it's good to just sort of question and um and so that challenged me and I found myself almost for the entire month. Um. Almost anticipating my coffee for the next day or that or in the morning and I be like you know like teas I look and I think it's tied to the to some ritual you know like I like to wake up have know have a coffee have ah have a bit of a read and that's there's my little ritual if I if I smoke the part that think that would be fucking.

06:04.64
calltocourage
What.

06:22.77
Craig
Bread as well I would you know and it's the same kind of thing you know you you sit there with your little box and you you make So you you have something physical. You smell it, you taste it. Um and but then what I realized was since how this is the interesting like manifestation that I didn't realize was doing was it was actually serving as a um.

06:24.21
calltocourage
Um, ah.

06:31.89
calltocourage
Ah.

06:42.20
Craig
As a distraction from things I should be doing So So what I noticed was is that I would have my coffee and then I would sometimes take long with my coffee and I'd sit there and I'd I'd meditat like meditate on it and and and all these things and then I'd be like oh fuck I'm a bit late to go to the gym now I've got to go to work and then I'd I'd kind of procrastinated through the use of. In some ways the coffee Um, which was which was serving as a sort of a distraction for things I knew I should be doing which was quite interesting that was an unanticipated thing that I didn't realize I realize I was doing with through coffee. Um, and so anyway, that's why coming fucking long close the loop on that initial question is like.

07:02.69
calltocourage
Ah.

07:07.43
calltocourage
Ah.

07:13.75
calltocourage
Um.

07:19.85
Craig
Um, yeah, just valuable to to have these things but but how by 2 you, how's how's your journey been I know um, we've both had quite different sort of journeys with it.

07:29.15
calltocourage
It's been I Guess similar to you I Recognize. Um I've been looking at I think I shared this with you before my life as being in relationship with the things in my life. So What is my relationship to my body. What is my relationship to Alcohol. What is my relationship to Cannabis and. Yeah I think there's a place where ah, you just this analogy of my of cannabis like a lover you know there's a part of me sometimes that I feel is super beautiful and I'm in the flow and I'm super grateful for it and then I notice that there are sometimes especially when I have the vape where I'm like.

08:04.15
calltocourage
I'm hitting it for the third time in a day perhaps and there's a part of me that's like there's like a hungry ghost that just can't get enough or something like that you know and if I look at it like a relationship if that was manifested into people I would think that person was a pig or a pervert. It's a little bit like you know the the sacredness of the medicine is is not there and so I think that's.

08:13.16
Craig
Ah, earth.

08:23.45
calltocourage
Sometimes where I feel I go like perhaps a little bit shadowy with it and yeah, a little bit codependent if I was to to describe it. So yeah, that's really just taking breaks from it regularly And yeah I notice sometimes when I take a break. Um, making all these agreements and negotiations with myself about why I should stop earlier or that I don't need to carry on with it and it's It's really interesting mental Mindd fuckckery to watch inside myself as I as I go through this process of checking where I Umm Renego 2 parts of myself on negotiating about.

08:54.34
Craig
Um.

08:59.41
calltocourage
What we should do here and um and sometimes where I failed it's been like if I use my inner kingdom analogy. It's like my Ceo and the king are like right? We're not going to smoke cannabis for the whole month and so then we do that and we have like a really fucking strong week and a part of my rebel.

08:59.97
Craig
Yeah.

09:18.57
calltocourage
Who smoke cannabis pretty much every day for most of my life is like what the fuck is going on and he's making such a noise that like the inner Kingdom isn't proper turmoil and there's some sense of like not getting buy-in from everybody like yeah break would be good. But if you have I notice I developed a pattern and I would say probably even a dependency on them.

09:24.80
Craig
Um.

09:38.10
calltocourage
On the plot in a way that when I cut it out like I feel like what's been more successful for me is doing it a bit more slowly like saying okay let me take these two days and yeah I'll smoke again on Wednesday or I've got these 2 things happening specifically like money tasks or accounting.

09:44.69
Craig
Interesting.

09:55.58
calltocourage
And then I will perhaps engage in the afternoon or I wanted to support a workout and I'll have it on that particular day or I'm going to go hiking or something like that which I think for me just brings back. Maybe what you said like the intention with which you use the medicine is as important as the medicine itself. So I think.

10:12.31
Craig
Then.

10:13.77
calltocourage
Where I lack presence and awareness of how I'm using it is where I start to feel like I might be yeah, not in alignment with something.

10:22.91
Craig
Interesting I like that I think I think intention is probably like at a root of a lot of things that we do right that that I think is a very very supportive ah tool to to be using in our lives just in general you know and I think it sort of ties into presence and it ties into.

10:38.11
calltocourage
Um.

10:40.75
Craig
Into mindfulness and all these kinds of things which are all like well-estabed things. But it's like um I think one can like incorporate it into oh I've actually been trying to do that more lately just is is um obviously the weed thing was was part of it like that that sort of struck that. It brought it up for me a little bit but then it's like um, a little bit of that saying you know that the way you do 1 thing is the way you do everything in a way. So like when I you know if you think it's linked to that in some ways. So it's like if I make my bed you know like I can do it well like make this thing and I'm I'm terrible with this like my my default mode is to like.

11:05.79
calltocourage
Ah, ah.

11:17.19
Craig
I'll come back to that I fucking can chuck it there and I'll come back I'll be back in a verts you know, um and that's my and I really have to like be present with like a camera fetch that thing put it there. Do it nicely close it off. It's done. You know like and I think if and I think it's the same thing with the with the weirded and stuff. But.

11:20.96
calltocourage
Ah.

11:27.57
calltocourage
And.

11:34.43
Craig
I also like the idea that you were saying is like you don't always have to have like a long break and and make this whole rigmarole out of it. You can kind of be like okay well today I've got certain tasks that um, generally you if you've really like done some work on yourself and you've identified the way you operate? Well um.

11:53.10
Craig
Which areas you operate well in with the weed and which ones you don't then that's in and of itself is that intentionality and then you then you're really fine. You know I don't I don't see any issue there that actually is probably a nice balance with taking breaks or like today I've got a big day of fucking numbers or whatever it is and and when I'm on the weed or when I smoke some weed I'm like. Terrible with that. So then don't smoke it that day and just fucking get on there. So yeah, that's I feel like that's quite a nice realistic way of doing things. Ah.

12:13.56
calltocourage
Ah.

12:21.59
calltocourage
Thank you brute how have you come back to? um cannabis and caffeine after your month off have you come back with some rules or you just flow and go like what are you feeling about those 2 substances in your life.

12:33.68
Craig
I Still have I think it brought up a lot of questions for me, especially on the caffeine um or both really, but the so there's this constant question in my mind behind um, physical Health mental health.

12:38.24
calltocourage
Ah.

12:51.40
Craig
Ah, what serves you? What doesn't serve you and and trying to find this. We've spoken about this a lot like you've got this one sort of um I Forget what it's what it's called now. But it's like a Venn Diagram type thing where you can where you can find the pros and cons of things and the and the polarity within things and see finding that sort of middle ground. What what is the.

13:05.56
calltocourage
Yeah, that's that set's called a polarity map and I learned it in a ninja web program that I was on with Jamie Wheel from the flow genome and he's got all these tools for thinking. But.

13:10.92
Craig
Framework of that. Just just so useful tool actually ah that's it.

13:24.47
calltocourage
You map these 2 polarities and recognize that neither of them are right or wrong, but there are elements of which which are positive and there are elements with that polarity when you spend too much time in that polarity that end up being negative and you you put those 2 polarities there and you identify what the. Fears and desires are for each of those polarities so cannabis and no cannabis the desire for cannabis is to feel connected to myself to be creative to go into a space where I'm more connected to nature my body but but but the potential shadow side of cannabis when you do too much of it. You feel anxious disconnected from the world. You're in a co-dependent relationship. You can't stop when you say you're breaking agreements with yourself. So I've done this with cannabis. The other side is the positives is like you've always got a clean sober mind but the downside is that you don't get to access the creative state that cannabis gives you or some of the blessings that you have so.

14:11.34
Craig
Another.

14:15.20
calltocourage
You're navigating between these 2 polarities and you identify early warninging signs for each one so like too much smoking starts to look like what for me breaking agreements with myself you know or it gets so new unto the shadow work or a part of me knows that if I don't set a at a. An agreement or a rule around it I'll default to smoking so today's a good example I was like ah I'll leave tomorrow open and see what unfolds and I guess that's okay, and yeah, perhaps if I had a specific intention of what I wanted to say tonight I might have been decided I don't want to be stoned for the meeting with.

14:39.26
Craig
Um, interesting.

14:52.96
calltocourage
Somebody that involves luck mean not being in my creative flow I need to count numbers. You know and I've noticed this as well like sometimes you know I have this um built on business here and most of where I live people operate on cash and so sometimes I'll smoke.

14:56.88
Craig
Um, yeah, yeah.

15:09.54
calltocourage
And then I'll go into town and do bill tong business and I'm like fuck it I can't count the money and I'm like is it 10 or 15 and I'm talking spanish and it's like it can be a bit of a mess if I if I haven't been that intentional lab up what I need to do with my day when I choose to engage. So yeah, the polarities map is super super good i'll.

15:13.10
Craig
Ah, much change you need ah a classic.

15:27.90
calltocourage
Think I'll share a link in the show notes. If yeah I'll do that that'll be sweet. Love fun.

15:33.13
Craig
Worries. Yeah, so look I mean so that so that's been thanks for showing that by the way because that that's been like pretty useful for me and I and I think so so kind of linking what we're talking about here into like the bigger world like I I feel like everything in life is nuanced right? and and I think that's why it's.

15:47.63
calltocourage
Ah.

15:50.21
Craig
Maybe when when when we're younger I think we tend to see see things in black and white and there's like 1 way or there's another way and we kind of follow these things and we we go down these role and what I've noticed and as I get older is and whether it's wisdom or not but it's like I feel like it almost becomes. Clearer and simpler but it also becomes more complicated because um, there's you know what is right? and wrong. You know these are these are classic questions right? What is truth what is not truth um and when we have scenarios like say small things like in our lives like the coffee or the or the. Or you know smoking marijuana um, within that. There's the nuances again. So if we if we get good at doing those sort of mind experiments in our own lives on a regular basis I think it helps us navigate the the bigger world too doesn't it because.

16:39.99
calltocourage
Um.

16:44.90
Craig
Like okay well, it's not black and white like sometimes I want to fucking smoke a joint and I want to be super stone I don't want to be engaging with the world and that's totally okay, sometimes but then but then someone else will make an argument like okay but what is that done to your brain. What has that done to your memory along to me How much is that going to affect you in your future that you wish you didn't do.

16:50.59
calltocourage
Yes. And.

17:03.43
Craig
And which one is more valuable which one is more important is it the long-term health aspect of your memory. For example I don't know if that's true or not I'm just using it as an example and then you've got like well I'm sitting here. Um, and I had a fucking great deep meditation. Ah, and I and I felt profound. Um.

17:03.64
calltocourage
Um.

17:07.44
calltocourage
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah.

17:21.40
Craig
Wisdom about something I've been dealing with now which one is more valuable I don't know which one is more valuable and and that's why if we can start playing these games within our own lives and and see nuance. It helps us navigate the bigger world because um, you know we we often our ego is often confronted with like.

17:25.94
calltocourage
Um, and.

17:38.20
Craig
Stuff That's uncomfortable like probably every day you know like you've got um someone comes to you with something and and in in business or in life or and and it rubs you up the wrong way and but but I think the more I've tried to like play with these sort of games with myself in my. You know with smaller things in your day-to-day life it it it does translate into the into the bigger world and and you can come at things with with good faith or better faith than you would have in the past and you can be like more open to like okay well maybe that. What you're saying now it it doesn't vibe with my worldview currently but I can see where you're coming from and and there is a nuance there that maybe I'd never seen before um like my example with the with the coffee maybe being actually a proccastination tool which I thought that.

18:14.13
calltocourage
I have I have.

18:26.29
Craig
Always thought it was their direct opposite I Always thought it was that the coffee's going to make me more productive and fuck. You know So so that was that that went against my worldview at the time and so by playing these games within ourselves. Um, and I call it a game I don't know if that's right word but um these I thought experiments. Yeah.

18:28.99
calltocourage
The.

18:41.44
calltocourage
Um, it's like a thought experimenter. Yeah.

18:45.60
Craig
Um, and having buddies like like yourself. Um and and to say well you know is that is that true is it fucking serving you or not um is I don't even know if you can state how valuable that sort of thing is because at the end of the day you just end up navigating your world in just a nuanced. Interesting and curious way which I think so these small things that seem sort of say me insignificant to anyone else that may be listening. Um, you've got your own ideas of your day and your little things that you do in your day and and when you start to like have that intent around play around with it and and do these thought experiments. Translates super well into the rest of what I've found anyway and and I think that's why it's It's like fun to do these things have these kind of conversations you know.

19:31.11
calltocourage
So good. It's like um, are there so much I want to share with you there. But the 1 thing that you're talking about is another thing that I learned inside this Jamie Wheel coaching container was the first line of learning is fixing the problem.

19:46.60
calltocourage
Um, the second the second line of learning is recognizing what you did to fix the problem and making sure that it doesn't happen again. So there's like an extra level of understanding in ah in a situation. But then there's the level which is you want to develop the thinking that got you to think about the way to solve the problem.

19:53.60
Craig
Um, and.

20:06.18
calltocourage
So how did I think and how do I think more like that as a way to be able to access other things that like becomes like another layer of being conscious of you know you can solve the problem by doing this but then you can recognize that there's another level but then you can Also how do I train the thinking that makes me think more like the way that's analytically solving problems that way or.

20:17.80
Craig
Interesting.

20:25.96
calltocourage
Asking better questions or whatever it is that you've recognized by running these thought experiments. So.

20:32.80
Craig
There's ah, just off the back of that I was listening to someone saying something similar in a totally different sort of direction. But um, they were saying like you figured something out in your in your life about something but you didn't recognize the blueprint. For how you did that. So and I thought oh that's fucking interesting because you might like work at something and get it and you like fuck I finally figured this thing out. It could be a tech problem. It could be a whatever thing. It is yeah money thing. Yeah I had to resent and then you go like fuck I did it I figured it out and you got like Jesus.

20:49.84
calltocourage
Um.

20:58.97
calltocourage
Um, it could be a money thing. You could suddenly you know? Yeah, ah.

21:06.82
calltocourage
That.

21:07.16
Craig
Can I repeat this. How did I do that what is and and so it's It's actually good to like have ah a mindset of like okay I need to blueprint stuff in my life. It's kind of I think the way I see what you were just saying is like something like that and you're going like okay well I've I've actually created a blueprint for the next time this arises I actually have a reference point that I can like not just.

21:17.62
calltocourage
Um, and.

21:26.54
Craig
Um, go like you said, go back to your default mode. You're actually going I've got this blueprint for this scenario here. It is and so like once again, having that presence and awareness in in our day-to-day task. We we might actually create that little blueprint for next time. So yeah, it's I mean obviously it's it sounds fucking.

21:29.87
calltocourage
Ah.

21:38.90
calltocourage
And.

21:44.32
Craig
And easy but like you can't live your life like constantly recording every little thing that you you know.

21:46.46
calltocourage
But in some ways it's it's somehow is just bringing you back to more and more present because surely in the present moment. You recognize this is That's it. You just don't need to worry about everything. You don't have to if you're present right here right now. This is like the general practice and the fact that we're running thought experiments is concerned about.

22:03.91
Craig
That's true.

22:06.60
calltocourage
You know? well how much cannabis I'm smoking or not smoking or whether I'm accessing the right you know like right now. Everything's perfectly fun and we can let go of all of that.

22:13.37
Craig
Yeah,, that's freeing. It's super freeing to like really let that really sink in and and and just trust like trusting the Universe's flow. It's it's like so it's so like some of these things are so cheesy and so like sort of. Esoteric on some level but on on the on another layer Once again, this polarity is like this is super profound and and it it genuinely changes your life. So It's like I think I've had this issue in the past where I would scoff at things I'd be like ah fuck it. This is so stupid like I'd laugh at people you I'd there'd be some guy I would say somewhere I'd be like ah. I Had this default mode of like mocking it or laughing it with my buddies like highs so fucking listen to this tool you know and um and and then but but sometimes within those like real simple edges and things like that are like super like so much Gold. You know there's ah like I don't know it's ah.

22:56.10
calltocourage
Um, ah.

23:04.73
calltocourage
F.

23:09.71
Craig
I Love the fact that by by just feeling intent and presence. Um I Love that idea that that makes you feel at ease and at peace and right now there's nothing else than right now than this conversation that we're having and someone who's listening to this is like.

23:26.64
calltocourage
This is something I've been I've been battling with this. So yeah I've been battling with this on them in my own journey I'm recognizing that the way we've started to speak of.

23:26.64
Craig
That that's enough. That's enough you know that's kind of the thing for me that was always like hard. You know, um we was next thing. No no.

23:44.49
calltocourage
As creators and even as I create highlights from this podcast and share it on social media. We've adapted our way of speaking to the way of the algorithm instead of having normal breaths in between sentences. We make it shorter so that it's more punchy and keep people engaged for longer and.

24:00.14
Craig
Are.

24:02.82
calltocourage
Yeah I know just a part of me feels quite a lot of resistance when I will need to like you know make it as short as possible and it's one of the reasons that I love podcast because it flows at a normal rhythm. You know like the nervous system gets a chance to listen to 2 human beings speak and I think the podcast creation software that we have has this thing that says you can trim out the. Silent spots and like unless there's a proper mistake in the podcast I want to leave that in because that's how we had this conversation and I would rather people just get the opportunity to sit in on a live conversation than to be it sounds like what we get spoken to at the moment we put most of our attention on and this is even me speaking.

24:34.52
Craig
Yeah.

24:40.53
calltocourage
Carriage is kind in relationships. you' gotta to show up in these fiveway is but but but but but and it's like cool and it's it's it's serving and I trust that it's in service of what it is that that I'm showing up for in the world. But there's a part of me that feels some resistance of having to try and deliver my message in 60 seconds or less because that's what serves.

24:43.10
Craig
Yeah, yeah.

24:59.28
calltocourage
Whoever it is that it serves and so yeah I feel a little bit of resistance in that.

25:05.00
Craig
It's a really interesting topic like sort of thought because um I think more and more like even if you're a sales a salesperson or you're in a business or in your just real life I think there's something super profound about a pause.

25:19.32
calltocourage
S.

25:21.42
Craig
You know, like if you get that that emptiness is there's so much happening in that you know and it's when one can embrace that that pause in your your life like I find so much value value in that and.

25:24.63
calltocourage
And matter.

25:39.49
Craig
It's the direct opposite like you said when you clipping like ah as you as you know I used to run the podcast with Gareth Martin another great brother of ours and he's obviously continued the podcast now. But um I used to edit the thing and and when I started doing it and for most the time because we didn't know any better I was cutting out all the.

25:44.60
calltocourage
Yes, yeah.

25:58.66
Craig
Ah, went through the whole podcast and I'd edit out those little gaps you know and and there was before I knew about software that would do that for you. So um, and yeah, so so it was like um anyway and and I thought.

26:03.60
calltocourage
Um, ah and I think I was around then you old school podcast as you guys.

26:15.57
Craig
And in retrospect I like I Really wish I hadn't done that you know to listen back to those old chats because um, there's that I don't know just I think you hit the nail in the head. It's like and it's almost like a nervous system thing. It's like you're ah, there's something so powerful in in Speech and language and body language and and part of a. Conversation is the is the emptiness the silence in between which it's hard to quantify because we always think we need to fill a vacuum tends to pull something in there's always ah in in life you know and and and and whatever that pulls in is is what's actually Interesting. So I don't know fuck it's.

26:43.55
calltocourage
If oh.

26:52.26
calltocourage
Oh.

26:54.93
Craig
It's kind of a a weird concept. But I I dig the idea of of embracing a pause and and I also think it's a fine line again because I I Also think there's some people that kind of use it too much and then it's like I feel like it's dickish. You know like you are you trying to be like I been you' gonna mean.

27:10.20
calltocourage
I Know that guy ah you like I Gabra can you tell me what you actually want to say it's all there but he's trying to put on that piece. Yeah, ah.

27:15.29
Craig
Ah.

27:18.54
Craig
Exactly? Yeah, so it's like fucking finding that middle ground there yes is by the absolutely that was that was profound was profound.

27:28.17
calltocourage
See see what I did there.

27:35.34
calltocourage
Ah, what? Ah it is a good reminder because I notice on this podcast and also when I'm holding space in the King circle. Um, which is now happening pretty regularly every second week we have the circle which is going super well. But I notice I get excited and I want to share.

27:35.91
Craig
And I'll let you have it.

27:52.82
calltocourage
And there's a part of me that could really be served by just taking a breath before I move into the next piece because I have this tendency of like ah we got 2 hours and I'm you know, still a little anxious doing this stuff and yeah, even on the podcast. It's like ah I got to make sure it keeps flowing and yeah I feel.

28:02.88
Craig
Fit it all in.

28:11.94
calltocourage
Anxious every time store It's I Guess that's part of the creative process. You know.

28:15.15
Craig
It's weird. Ah yeah, and and also we ah I guess this also comes back to somewhat of our like upbringing in our childhood and our people pleasing I know but both of us have had sort of aspects of this in our arts and.

28:29.47
calltocourage
Ah.

28:30.92
Craig
I Really struggle with the awkward inadverted Commas Awkward silence awkward for me often and um I mean I genuinely my default mode is often to say as soon as I find there's a moment of that like even when you took that long pause there a moment ago like it felt awkward for me for a moment which is good. That's that that's beautiful.

28:33.71
calltocourage
And.

28:50.77
Craig
Ah, well played ah like because I was like but what I tend to want to do when it's in in real life is I want to like I kind of want to walk I remember like cool. Um, there's that moment of awkwardness I'm not in I don't have something straight away to add so that I'm like cool. It was levity to see you um Goodbye like I'll I'll like leave. Conversation. That's that's my default mode which is quite sad actually and and one misses out on so much more possibilities and I'm I'm sure I've done it so many times in my life where I'm at a party or I'm at a thing and I just feel there's a moment where I'm I hit that like deep awkward silence and I didn't know what to say and then I actually physically leave like the.

29:26.89
calltocourage
A.

29:29.59
Craig
I'm like um I feel like that was the end of that. So yeah, it's weird how we have these these little things and so silence. Um, it is really powerful and I know in my work. Um, when I'm working when I'm doing body work I'm working with people I've really had to I've really had to learn to say.

29:49.24
Craig
As little as possible like it's been so hard for me because I I always want to I always want to like add some cool thing that I know or some fucking hack or ah, you know what? I mean and I'm like and and what I've had to really learn is that ah in a kind of in conversation. It's Like. We We don't know what's coming we we manifesting the whole time we we don't know what our brains are going to say in it which is fucking Red. There's There's some kind of there's some kind of connection that is happening right now between you and me some part of that is conscious and like quite a big chunk of that is is unconscious and subconscious.

30:27.60
calltocourage
Um, ah.

30:27.18
Craig
Super conscious if you will and ah and so we we kind of meshing in the middle somewhere because neither of us actually know what we're going to say which is like fucking kind of cool and weird at the same time. But if we allow that if we allow that space and know that that space is a real thing.

30:37.20
calltocourage
Ah.

30:47.43
Craig
Then we can fill things with with um with witnessing. So so basically I'm witnessing your subconscious come through to me if I allow that to happen because you're going to say something in a minute that you didn't know you were going to say right now and so if I give you that space to do that. Suddenly your. Your subconscious is actually manifesting in front of me and I get to witness that so when I say less and I allow the pauses we actually create on a whole anotherther level which is is so powerful man because you know when there's the sub the superconscious and the subconscious and the. That's that's where who who Gareth Pickering Craig Haywood really are you know? That's what's driving us and so that's I Knowes seems like quite an esoteric thing but like that's the way I can't see try and see a good conversation is like and that's why the pauses and why the I'm not going on and on like I'm doing now is so powerful. You know.

31:41.43
calltocourage
Brut that is so that is so strong. Um I've been that's what's what's coming up for me today is I've just started today with ah with a money coach and we've been looking at these deep-seated beliefs.

31:41.83
Craig
And so it's an our.

31:56.56
calltocourage
Like what are the things that genuinely drive at a conscious level. We say I want to be abundant, but there might be years and years of stories that are sitting below the surface that actually carry a lot more weight than the conscious mind. What do you? What do you mean by super conscious I've never actually heard that before.

32:14.38
Craig
I Think it's just a concept with from these old philosophers and freudian and and and this this bunch that they they talk about the the subconscious the superconscious is ah I Forget who actually coined it. But it's um I Just like that term more because sub just in my mind sounds.

32:30.53
calltocourage
Less than yeah yeah, so the deepest part of the mind is the sub is the super conscious. Yes, yeah, that's cool. Yeah I love that I Love that reframe man.

32:31.40
Craig
Um, ah this then? yeah yeah, which is the obviously term but but super conscious is like maybe that's a superpower. There's like ah there's a it's yeah I mean that's it's I Guess it's the semantics. But that's that's the way I like to think of it. Yeah.

32:50.38
calltocourage
We've we've had lots of conversations about the power of words that we choose to use. Um, yeah, good morning is not a very good thing to to be saying to people every day. The the associations with the word morning is that you mourn when somebody does and so yeah, happy rising.

32:51.90
Craig
It's quite cool. Yeah.

32:55.95
Craig
Yeah, it's super powerful.

33:06.39
Craig
Um, interesting. Ah, that's cool I never heard that I like that.

33:08.79
calltocourage
Is a better way to greet somebody in the early part of the day anyway, but like it's just small stuff. You know that was to say people's names the the power of what your name is you know, rich instead of something that sounds like you know poor, you know, like even the fact that Paul sounds a bit like Paul could have an impact on.

33:24.88
Craig
Um, and.

33:28.30
calltocourage
Vibration that you carry continually being called Rich Rich a rich rich rich like it's more likely to have more experience in his life that resembles dick. Yeah lucky guy lack you guy. Ah.

33:28.48
Craig
Interesting.

33:35.00
Craig
What about dick but but so so tell me was that was that linked to the to this money this blueprinting that you were. But you're sort of going through at the moment or this this um, unpacking of your money. Story.

33:52.71
calltocourage
My unpacking of my money. Story is yeah I think some part of me has failed to see the results in my in my business for the amount of energy and effort that I'm putting into it I'm investing money and life force and team into this and something. Is not flowing back into my world yet. And yeah I just feel like there's something that needs to be shifted and I get a sense that it's deeply rooted because every other part of me wants to yeah I have my business be super abundant. But at the moment I just it's not being reflected back to me in a way that points to some part of me needing to look at something. So. Yeah I employed this this courage we started working together I don't like that weren're employed like we're going on a journey together. Um, yeah, and he came through yeah, just connected and yeah he came through as a recommendation from my weekly men circle when I was sharing where I was on this path because.

34:41.18
Craig
Deepoid.

34:50.13
calltocourage
Journey that I've had with money has been. We all got a money story but you know my story where I took $60000 that I had saved away from for a rainy day put it into crypto was a millionaire but still never felt as scarce and as full of lack despite having all this wealth in my world and yeah. Sort of come back down and I sold at the wrong times and I'm in the space now where I'm still up from where I was but I'm definitely not a millionaire at the moment. But yeah I'm just checking where some part of me is maybe shaming money or I've got some money story or some validation seeking in. In in money that could be keeping me blocked or something like that. So yeah, we're talking about our deep-seated Beliefs which made me think of your analogy of superconious because that's really what's driving the thought at at ah at a more conscious level and the behavior and the speech is these deep-seated Beliefs that are imprinted from an early age I think.

35:30.61
Craig
That.

35:40.58
Craig
I am.

35:47.24
Craig
True and that blueprinting is exist in everything that we we do and and we and often we will find ourselves saying things like um, it's hard or it's you know all these kind of things or like it's so hard to make money or though that's that's too obvious like it sometimes.

35:47.34
calltocourage
That's how I understand it.

36:00.70
calltocourage
Um.

36:05.15
Craig
More subtle than that and then that's where you realize ah that is the blueprinting that I've had you know this. But it's interesting to me. Um, if I may like you know you you exited the successful business marketing business back in the day. Um, so I'm I'm kind of.

36:07.21
calltocourage
Then.

36:21.67
calltocourage
Um.

36:24.57
Craig
Wondering you that wasn't you had no money issue. There didn't it mean like so so it's I'm I'm not pushing back against what you're saying but I'm kind of just wondering because you didn't that was I don't know ten years ago however long it was ago I don't know the details of the timeline. But.

36:27.84
calltocourage
Yep.

36:40.19
calltocourage
Ah.

36:41.55
Craig
You you you built this thing up you you know you were operating I know it had its shadow of course too. Um, but if it was a proper blueprint. How did you achieve that or was that all just like ego pushing it through or I don't know maybe what? what? like? how did you.

37:00.51
calltocourage
Um I love that thank you I love that question Bree. Yeah so I think there's a like you said earlier, it's nuanced. There's not a like an exact answer some of it has to forgive and learn to love the version of Gareth that was making money there.

37:01.15
Craig
Ah, would you take that in it.

37:11.23
Craig
Ah.

37:16.69
calltocourage
That was sometimes like yeah maybe acting from a place of fear and scarcity and how I ran my my business and my world and I like there's stuff and decisions that I made then that I wouldn't make now and so learning to love and accept that part of myself I want to put ze outside give me one second yeah oh little man.

37:31.62
Craig
We got a kitty.

37:35.19
calltocourage
You outside I'm talking to Uncle Ray

37:42.00
calltocourage
Maybe in year towards you you want it to come in solo. So I think there could be a bit of that you know like the story that if I suddenly have money again I become that guy so that could be a pat and that keeps you blocked. That's one to potentially look at another one to potentially look at that I'm.

37:45.50
Craig
Anybody.

37:54.61
Craig
Sure.

38:00.64
calltocourage
Unpacking is you know is it good that you or are you allowed to make money from businesses that are in service to humanity. You know like it's okay if you a banker. But if I'm helping men sort their shit out of is it should not be doing that for free like some story about that and not not a belief but just potentially some.

38:06.33
Craig
Are.

38:12.46
Craig
Yeah.

38:19.92
calltocourage
Some sense? Um, Yeah I've also had ah a beautiful reflection and unpack of the relationship that I have have with my dad and a comment that he made a while ago that sounded like this is many years ago I've never seen somebody actually making money in an online business. And I noticed in that moment that I was like ah I really want to prove it to him because I know it's possible and so they could be you know like the other business was money. But this this this nuance in what what might be holding me back from yeah, receiving the abundance that I know that this project and work and what I'm being called to do is deserving of and.

38:39.49
Craig
Huh.

38:58.34
calltocourage
And I've been tested I've been really challenged. We had this I'll give you the backstory. You know it. But for those that are hearing this for the first time funded by this bitcoin money I then went into my I call it my feminine of like ah you don't need to work so hard. You just need to go if I can travel the world and money will just flow to you. And so a part of that was like oh this is a much better way to do it. So I have this analogy of swinging from the strong masculine polarity of build a business have all the systems do the things make the sales calls bank the profit to ah fuck I'll take what I did there have a swing at something manifestation is all about having fun and being in your ease. And $1000000 came into my world. Um I think I sort of swung more into the opposite polarity of my feminine where I wasn't even counting the money I was like oh I'll grow a tea and I'll just keep throwing cash at it but a part of money if I look at it as being in a relationship with money. There's a part of me that's like you know. Not keeping a calendar of when your birthday is and showing up for the things and tracking you know, harm showing up for this relationship I'm just using it like in an irresponsible way that I think is perhaps needing to be called back into a little bit more alignment and so what that actually looks like for me is like decluttering. Finding out how much my loan account is how much is my team cost me every single month. What is my plan to get profit into the business when will that happen and so that's the backstory and so then I'm like all right cool. We've got an ninety day plan that if we don't make a certain revenue number within that time we can to have to rethink about this.

40:24.81
Craig
Um.

40:34.56
calltocourage
And that came and went to. We didn't hit the number and so I'm like oh fuck Now what I do. It's clear that I don't want to stop doing this and yeah, so this is where I found myself in trying to solve this problem and recognizing yeah I could use a guard to to help try and track some of these shadows for me that could be preventing this from.

40:37.17
Craig
Yeah.

40:50.44
Craig
Show.

40:54.21
calltocourage
Being as fucking amazing as I know it already is so there's just yeah, wanting to to release that money block and create the space for it to flow in here.

40:55.41
Craig
Hundred percent um thanks for sharing that man I'm sure that's I'm sure that particular I didn't want to use the word block because I think that's let's say interesting challenge or something ah you know or interesting point within your your. Life as a whole is it's like kind of blocking you in some way I'm sure that's a very common one number 1 number 2 I think you know like anything it's like recognizing some of that and then allowing your ego to say like ah cool, let's get some help on this and and and have have some guidance is um.

41:23.35
calltocourage
Um.

41:38.95
Craig
I mean I don't know that's that that's actually the super valuable. So thanks for reminding me about that you know just that allow if that allowing that we don't have to go alone all the time you know like we Ah, we're allowed to co-create and we're allowed to do these things and I know I Just hearing you say that because I know you've you've had that.

41:44.25
calltocourage
Um, and.

41:50.62
calltocourage
M.

41:57.16
Craig
Ah, wealthy abundance and all of that you have it. You know we we are abundant no matter what that's the that is the beauty right? So so like you are hundreds percentcorrect on that and and we always are abundant beings. But then we we want to have certain aspects of that abundance that that to to manifest and I'm I'm kind of interested in.

42:03.42
calltocourage
Um, the ah.

42:09.55
calltocourage
Um.

42:17.15
Craig
Um, what you were saying there though and and I think I think I understand but I think and I've always said this to you like you're an absolute master at ah, understanding the world of the deeper spiritual world esoterica if you will or it would this kind of world and. And then bridging a gap to people like myself and a lot of other people that maybe don't have such a deep understanding of that world but are interested in that world and and so when you said the words I was in my feminine. Um there's not a criticism but I think some people could take it the wrong way and I and I probably. For a moment felt an ease was something around. Um the feminine irresponsible didn't take so I'm I'm not saying people will link the 2 but maybe you could unpack that just a little bit for me um into like what what is part of that feminine. What does that mean in that scenario and and where does the masculine.

42:57.23
calltocourage
Ah, ah thank you.

43:07.46
calltocourage
Ah, and.

43:11.24
calltocourage
Thank you? Wow! Thank you Bre that's so rich I didn't recognize that I only used sort of negative connotations to describe the feminine I think okay, yeah, sweet. Yeah and I think I do have that I mean I think my work.

43:15.10
Craig
Come in if maybe you could sort of give me some base story.

43:21.99
Craig
I Don't know if you did that but I'm just saying I took some of that you know what I mean.

43:30.90
calltocourage
This incarnation is to recognize that I was born into a male body and I grew up in a predominantly like Macho world that prioritized certain characteristics of what it means to be a man that I think my work is really to allow myself to feel and get reconnected with some of the more. Call them feminine aspects which are perhaps more connected to the heart and to emotions and yeah, it's kind of the idea that the masculine way For example in manifestation is to move forward with a plan and to execute on that plan with precision and timelines. So. There's a lot of doing where I think from a manifestation perspective the ability to be able to magnetize in and trust and vibrates in a way that brings it to you is the more feminine polarity and so I think with the tool that we spoke about before we have both, you know we could.

44:10.11
Craig
Are.

44:22.47
Craig
Okay.

44:29.10
calltocourage
We can soldier our way through the world with a freak 5 5 year plan and an outlook and just beat ourselves into submission life will probably give us some lessons on the way and then there's the opposite polarity which is I'm not doing fucking anything I'm sitting yet. It'll all come to me and I'm just going to and I think some way in between you need to take action when you're. Wanting to manifest something in and there's some magic in the manifestation process that is not up to you. You can have as many checklists as you want and they can have a 5 year plan and a team with kprs that are diallled into the t but laugh doesn't work that way you know so that you need to go back into the more.

45:01.24
Craig
And sure.

45:06.90
calltocourage
Surrender and trust that I associate to be feminine. So that's sort of how I think about it. Yeah, thanks for speaking today.

45:08.69
Craig
Makes sense and so so you know you've you've got this framework around your in a kingdom which is super powerful and I think whoever's listening to this should 100 % explore this I've explored this a bit you know off the back of our conversations and stuff. Um, maybe just for the sake of of the of everyone listening because and I've I've got a decent understanding of what what you're doing there but the if you've got an in the kingdom of archetypes that are living are alive within us all the time would would it be fair to say that there would be.

45:39.72
calltocourage
Are.

45:46.48
Craig
Ideally, you'd have ah an equal split between the sort of a masculine type archetypes and a feminine archetype to then you know within your inner Kingdom or sometimes is it a thing where you can have someone who's maybe.

46:02.79
Craig
Someone who's super masculine might account for like 3 of those and you might have 6 or you know different so that there's some kind of balance within it I don't know understand like how that might work play out within ah your archetypes that are within us.

46:16.17
calltocourage
Thanks bro I Appreciate all these questions. Thank you? Um, and before before like going down into the details of the different archetypes within the Inner Kingdom I think the understanding of how energy flows like in some.

46:18.31
Craig
Um, very.

46:31.00
calltocourage
Chinese traditions and in tantra is the recognition of both polarities. They could be light and dark masculine and feminine and the work inside us I think is to just have an inner marriage that is equally balanced of both of those you know there's there's light and dark. There's masculine and and feminine. And I think to come into greater alignment where both of those are more in residence is the middle of the polarity map where you're dancing between these 2 accessing them when you need them recognizing when you spend too much time in one of them and come back is sort of the idea of getting this inner marriage between masculine and feminine to be um, equal standing. And that's sort of how ah the basis of how I understand it where I took my work was into the inner kingdom because specifically for men the analogy of a kingdom seems to make sense and when someone who's a little lost like I was finds their king and says right I'm fucking in charge here and i. Recognize that there are other voices that come up inside my head from time to time I'm going to get to know these voices I want to get to know who they are and I'm going to listen to them and the inner kingdom tool gives you like these different processes to be able to identify some of these and the truth about archetypal work. Is. We all have access to all of these things we can all be a rebel. we can all be a victim we can all be a seducer we can all be King and we can all be Queen so really the the tool is really an opportunity to check which of these are the most alive in you and who makes the most noise in your world at various times in your life and then give that being a name.

48:05.70
calltocourage
That's my little princess because she's got tendenency to just want to run into skip and jump and just play music all day and not do anything else you know and if I don't take time to to give her space this starts to us start to feel uneae in the kingdom so getting to know these various parts of yourself by recognizing them from a list. You can be like ah. Ah, know that one. It's that's my Ceo. He's the guy who's checking the books all the time you give him a name you recognize what his strengths are what his weaknesses are and so yeah, how it actually lands on the map is hopefully you've got enough of these beings in your in your inner kingdom that you've recognized that help you balance the polarity of masculine and feminine. In a way that you can navigate in your life I don't know if that makes sense I don't know she ever explained it that way. So yeah I have had to get to reconnected with my princess. You know her her name's Diana I've just recently.

48:46.49
Craig
Um, yeah, it makes sense that makes a lot of sense.

49:00.41
calltocourage
Starts like this. You don't always have all of them. You recognize you have a king. Yeah I'm King then then you're like okay but the kingdom needs a queen and so for the process is to recognize that I was calling in a queen and somehow queen vlamina came into my world and I recognized that she was this yeah like. Brilliant leader in she was a Dutch Queen and she was the first female billionaire and all these things just like came in I was like cool that so that feels like my queen and so Queen Vomeina is the queen in my kingdom and I recognize what her strengths are and what her weaknesses are she loves to Gossip and. Hear what's happening and likes to keep you know so connected to the news and you know and she can be a little bit of a gossiper like these are some of the shadow sides of the queen but she's a great hostess and a homemaker and loves to cook so that's sort of how I'm developing the the parts of myself that I think need a bit more space as a way to. Come into better alignment with these 2 parts masculine and feminine.

49:55.62
Craig
So So that so the the way to use This is is in some practical sense too right? Like where does the the rubber meet the road is that you if you're feeling out of sorts in a real world scenario. Not not so not in the kingdom. Let's say just I. Feel off or I feel like shit or something is that is that where you can maybe go back and go like hey maybe there's something out of my inner kingdom here and I'm not and I haven't been um, seeing and nurturing that archetype within myself is that is that how the rubber meets the road kind of thing.

50:27.80
calltocourage
Exactly so when when you feel anxious your emotions are your guide. You always know how you are in every moment by asking how I feel and this analogy of your emotional guidance system is like the Gps for your car that gets you to where you're going and so.

50:35.10
Craig
Um, have.

50:42.24
Craig
And.

50:45.61
calltocourage
When we get disconnected from that too much cannabis too much porn too much whatever it is because we don't want to feel Uncomfortable. We're starting to ignore our inner garden system that's letting us know that you know I started out feeling a little bit uncomfortable with my shitty job it soon becomes a lot of frustration I'm not going to feel that and before you know like you've. Drowning in a sea of depression and you can't You're not sure what it is like at some point you got to get back to reconnected with your emotions like what am I feeling and then check in with who it is so that's practically who is it in my inner Kingdom and what do they need because I ah teach it in a way that is like anybody like a normal human being and.

51:13.47
Craig
Um, ah.

51:24.17
calltocourage
What it looks like in practice for me is when I spent too much time in this studio creating writing content etc. I can go a couple days and then a part of me starting to feel like whoa I'm super super spacey and I recognize who is it in the family that needs something in the Inner kingdom. Normally it's my kid. We haven't been outside for a run or to go for a walk or do anything fun. It's just been work work work. So yeah, the question is who like a normal kingdom who needs what? yeah, somebody's probably been neglected for a while.

51:46.38
Craig
Yeah.

51:52.10
Craig
Makes sense and if you've identified that if you've identified it over time and we're quite specifically as a sort of an avatar within yourself that it becomes a lot easier to recognize when when you've. When you haven't been you know serving that person So That's why the exercise is so important because otherwise it's like um I guess sometimes we it's this whole thing of when we're in our heads right? we and we haven't put something on paper. For example, it's like just feel I feel uneasy and it's just easy to just feel like fuck I don't feel great and. And why everyone I'm snapping at everyone and and this you've got like some kind of a way of of identifying what that is. It's It's quite hard actually because yeah, so I think it's yeah, that's actually valuable.

52:32.94
calltocourage
I Could I want to share something so on this like let me give you this. So let's use it with your your inner palette Boy we both share this archetype very strongly as a function of where we've come from so you're in a palette boy like what is what are his strengths.

52:49.90
Craig
Interesting I haven't thought of that. So um I guess the strengths are um when you'releasing people people generally like you you're likeable. You can you know that you can magnetize someone by doing the things that they you know they want you to to do? um.

52:57.63
calltocourage
Are okay, are.

53:08.36
Craig
And so so that we guess that's some kind of a positive. Yeah.

53:13.49
calltocourage
I mean in in some ways when we go back your Inapp palout Boys also helped you get access to things you know as ah as a strategy You've've, you've used him to ah yeah, get through life. Keep your parents happy. You know so those are those are all positives so then using the tool now would be like where does where does this character show up in your life and sabotage things.

53:16.89
Craig
Yeah, sure.

53:23.84
Craig
Um, yeah, hundred percent yeah

53:33.21
calltocourage
Ah, you able to articulate that can you see where that comes you spoke into it earlier. One of the things you spoke into earlier right? The the fact that it's that part of you that when there's a space in the conversation. It feels impolite to hang around and feel awkward so that your default strategy is to walk away right? So that would be 1 potentially.

53:35.36
Craig
Yeah, around what.

53:47.23
Craig
Um, oh yes, Yes, yes yeah, yes C is big time. Ah, really ah is that right? yeah.

53:51.78
calltocourage
I have that as well. That's how I know it when you said it I'm like fuck I know that pot I would rather not be in the conversation than have it be awkward I've had that for a long time. My meditation has been luck with you to just trust that something else will arise and it's it's hard for me to do and I attract it to being charlielly. Because Charlie wants to always be like happy. Fun, friendly, polite. Keep the conversation flowing before it gets awkward I'm gone.

54:16.30
Craig
Fucking gone. Yeah I identify with Jali. Yeah, so I think that's a big one and then obviously it's just um, when you're doing that all the time you you 100% are not accessing your own needs because you're you know you're totally.

54:30.87
calltocourage
Ah.

54:33.90
Craig
It's it's more valuable in Charlie's mind I haven't created an archetype name for for my in a like people pisa. But um, that it's more valuable in that person or that archetype's mind to make someone else feel good and make sure that.

54:38.61
calltocourage
Um.

54:51.72
Craig
That the awkwardness is okay and I'm safe and it's okay and um I'll live to see another day is more important than you know what? I mean then then like having my boundary having um doing the hard thing. So so it's almost I.

54:59.13
calltocourage
Ah.

55:10.24
Craig
Talking about it now it almost makes me think that that that people plaleasing aspect is almost like ah um, yeah, it's just a way of kicking a can down the road and yeah, it's It's very negative actually like when you when you really start to look at it and yeah I'm I'm assuming you've you've delved it to your.

55:29.17
Craig
Your archetype there is it. There's a similar type of thing than your in your people using side.

55:31.75
calltocourage
Yeah bro. Firstly thank you what you? what you share there and how you unpack that is yeah it I think it's going to serve so many listeners that are that have this piece because I've actually seen it play out when I started to get to know Charlie he's fucking everywhere like he's in the bedroom with me.

55:44.72
Craig
Ah.

55:48.30
Craig
Enough at so.

55:51.31
calltocourage
He's in the boardroom with me. He's in my negotiations in relationship. It's like what is that like the 7 year old version of me is upset that the 40 year old women that I'm been making love to in Mexico for the last two weeks can't handle the truth so he's like a little bit economical with. How I deliver the news that I don't actually want to be with you for the rest of my life which I'm feeling is what you want and rather than hurt her feelings I can't be honest, that's that's not polite at all. It's actually fucking horrible you know and so I've seen him there I've seen him in the work that I'm doing.

56:19.84
Craig
Um, yeah, interesting.

56:28.82
calltocourage
He like outreates something about semen retention or something that I think may trigger my mother or my mother's friends and a part of Charlie is like saying na I we have to post that you know and so then he gets upset and he.

56:39.49
Craig
Yeah.

56:42.77
calltocourage
Disrupts the whole inner kingdom that makes me sabotage in a different way like it's it's sneaky bro like he's the one that's actually upset but there's a part of me that's like oh not maybe not today or I smoked a joint I'll I'll create it tomorrow when I'm when I'm sober and so what's actually happening there is Charlie doesn't want to have the difficult conversation and share it with the world.

56:46.14
Craig
Um, yeah, yeah.

56:53.91
Craig
Fuck.

57:00.39
Craig
Yeah, interesting. That's actually what I was when I got I got a bit sidetracked and clearly when when you when your brain doesn't want to look at it. That's a good sign. It's like ah it's yeah, my mind went straight away when I wanted to say something to you earlier and it kind of disappeared.

57:00.58
calltocourage
Because maybe somebody will be upset about it and.

57:16.53
Craig
It's it's actually ah, it's actually a weakness right in terms of your like fortitude of of doing what you know is the right thing to do it's it's ah you just articulated really? Well, it's like ah it's in disguise of you doing the nice thing but actually it's it's you not having the courage. To do something that's actually what it is because the courage it takes courage to maybe be rejected. It takes courage to say something that your mother's friends might fucking gossip about for the next few days um and maybe learn something too hopefully and you know, but you know what I mean like.

57:37.42
calltocourage
Ah.

57:49.54
calltocourage
Yeah, yeah.

57:51.90
Craig
So so actually I think it links really well with courage and I think and and and thanks for saying that because I think if I if I start seeing my inner people pleaser come through which happens every fucking day of my life. Um, if if I see that coming through I'm going to start saying don't talk shit. You're not doing this to.

58:01.81
calltocourage
And.

58:10.55
Craig
To make it better or or to help someone else. You're doing this because you're not having courage to to do what you actually know is the right thing to do I mean I had something so like recently someone got me at the shopping center and they were like this is a random example but she was super nice and she's like do you want to pay this money to this.

58:23.86
calltocourage
Are.

58:30.33
Craig
Charity and I really make donations in my in you know in my own way and I and I know that I didn't want to do it but I signed up for the thing and I was like fuck man afterwards I had to phone them and say look I made a mistake I'm going and need to cancel this contribution that I'm making and it's like double the work double the pain in the eyes.

58:34.10
calltocourage
Okay.

58:43.45
calltocourage
Um.

58:48.50
calltocourage
Ah.

58:48.58
Craig
Also fucking wasted her time I wasted people on the phone's time and I wasted my own fucking time and money. So and I'm like if I just had the courage to not make this person feel bad is is kind of what I was thinking at the time and I didn't want to upset them I made it worse.

58:54.00
calltocourage
Ah.

59:01.55
calltocourage
Ah.

59:04.84
Craig
And I'm like fuck man how how many times have I done that in my lifeway I'm like even in this late stage of the game. You know like I just put you know he a surprise I turned 40 recently I'm like the next ten years is goingnna be ah you know all the right? you know, kind of make make plans and do this is gonna be different and and then like.

59:09.43
calltocourage
Are.

59:23.80
Craig
Two days later like fucking. Yeah no worries ever. Let me sign up to your thing and I'm like while I'm doing it I'm not you fucking idiot yeah, all Jesus anyway I'm sure we've all done stuff like that and you know, ah.

59:31.97
calltocourage
Ah, ah oh god so good bree. Yeah I think it's a life lesson I think I have this thought at some point like most of us only have luck one. Sometimes 2 lessons to learn in our life. You know like you've only really got 1 thing. We need to fix in this incarnation or solve. And yeah, it's you're just going to fall into different versions of the same hole. You know that same wound is going to come up at some point like it's deeply imprinted in who we are and you know maybe you shifted in this lifetime but probably you won't but.

59:53.73
Craig
Um, interesting. Ah.

01:00:03.12
calltocourage
If you become a little bit more aware of it and you sign up for less charity things and you know maybe you're on 5 a year instead of 25 a year every day you go to the shops. Oh hello sure I'll take that.

01:00:14.55
Craig
What's my money? What's my money story. Why do I have no money like I can giving it all to everyone else? yeah.

01:00:20.90
calltocourage
Right? I want to before we um, run out of time here. This has been magic. What is your share your journey and relationship to pain. We've had some really interesting conversations about your. Mental and meditative process around pain and I don't know why that came up but I trusted. It's something I want to speak about because I remember being so moved when you shared that with me before when I was with you in Australia what is that what has your relationship been with pain over your life.

01:00:45.53
Craig
Are.

01:00:53.60
Craig
Well, thanks for sharing that then um or asking that it's ah it's not obvious and easy and easy on so easy thing to sort of delve into. But um, one way or another just to cut a long story short of since I was about 17 I've been dealing on and off with a sort of autoimmune issue and and every now and then I i. Get like super bad flare-ups so in my joints and and bad inflammation swelling in my joints and stuff and it's um, it's really excruciating like it's it's a man down like the last time it happened I lost a heap of weight and I to like um. Walk around the house with like crutches and everything was it was horrible was like I was in a lot of pain like and it's twenty four seven it's not it's not like and you can find a comfortable position and you know so it was really challenging and I hadn't had to Flir up for a long time. So I kind of thought you know I'd kick this thing and and as you said.

01:01:32.70
calltocourage
Wow.

01:01:43.12
Craig
You know we we were all in this journey of trying to like find out what are these deeper triggers in our lives for whatever it is for me. It happens to be a physical manifestation of of something that's clearly not fully resolved and I mean this is a whole interesting conversation in and of itself and.

01:01:59.55
calltocourage
Ah, ah.

01:02:00.75
Craig
You know it's important to delve into what physical pain means and there's metaphysical reasons I mean yeah.

01:02:05.77
calltocourage
You want to go there give ah give a high level of how you understand that because yeah, what? Ah what I'll have said in the intro but you this is what you do for a living as a chiropractor and yeah I'd love you to give a like a high level understanding of how yeah feel what feels good to.

01:02:19.42
Craig
Sure I think um I think pain is is definitely some kind of manifestation of of other things. So um, the longer I've been doing I've been working with people in one way shape or form in in pain and in.

01:02:19.54
calltocourage
To give some context.

01:02:34.71
Craig
Mental distress and physical distress in one way or another for a long time now and the longer you are around pain and and this kind of thing you start to? There's definitely trends and um, when you come out of university. It's like you know the textbook stuff something something is. Is pushing on a nerve which causes pain which then your body feel you know and as you go down this track longer and longer. You start to really understand that at first it's like well maybe they're a bit stressed so then stress can increase your inflammation and inflammation can cause pain and you know. That that becomes like 1 narrative and then and then you go like another step deeper and you're like well maybe there's something to do with with childhood trauma or there's something unresolved pain as a kid or something like that that you and endured that you you haven't unpacked and so I've been on the journey.

01:03:20.00
calltocourage
And.

01:03:29.54
Craig
Um, with psychedelics and and and and conversations like this with with good friends and and ah various other modalities. Um to try and dig deep in this you know and and the more you go down this track the more and more you realize some of like it's if there's a lot as is ah a. Big chunk of Meta Metaphysical um, Manifestations and then I'm at the place now where I'm wondering how much of it is like a genetic linear familial thing but not in the gene sense in like more of like a information sense carried over down the gin.

01:04:06.72
calltocourage
A hair.

01:04:07.50
Craig
The generations like a generational trauma thing. Um because I don't think we're a slave to our genes and I think that most people think they do like how many people come into the office and say well my mom and dad had bad knees. So that means I've got fucking bad knees and I'm like that's just not true. You know like you may be predisposed to something but that's not.

01:04:21.39
calltocourage
Are.

01:04:26.60
Craig
Genes do not switch themselves on an author that's epigenetics and epigenetics is a you know, Super interesting fascinating thing that ultimately leads to a gene being expressed or not so it's not the gene itself. So that's just you know in and of itself is is not true. Um, but anyway so so.

01:04:38.79
calltocourage
So.

01:04:44.94
Craig
My point of saying all of that is just that I'm aware that I've had this journey with a lot of pain physical pain in my life and I the way I am and the way we are and I'm sure a lot of everyone listening to this is is like it's an it's an opportunity to be curious about.

01:04:50.37
calltocourage
Um.

01:05:03.61
Craig
What that means you know like even though when it's happening to me I still have the wherewithal to be like what this is fucking interesting like why is this is you know I can see it from that perspective and I and I genuinely do and and and I always will you know? um with with other people and when they're in pain and how much of it is like.

01:05:08.75
calltocourage
And.

01:05:22.29
Craig
Um, unresolved Stuff. You know how much work can you do in yourself and how much um is it in myself and and so anyway when when I had this flare up again, not too long ago and it was and I was really good prior to that for a long time. It really made me question everything again I was like well I thought I had like clear cleared unresolved things and whatever you. So. There is this question of how how many times do you need to go through this thing until the lesson is learned and as you said earlier like maybe you don't in this iteration of of this life. Maybe you do? Maybe you don't but that's kind of part of the goal and I think pain itself is is a.

01:05:51.95
calltocourage
Ah.

01:05:57.90
Craig
Don't know if I'm many articulated as well as it did when we chated I don't really remember exactly what I said to you then because I was still quite in a lot of pain then so it might have been a bit more like um visceral ah at the time but the way I kind of see it is just like there's a it's a reminder that. Ah.

01:06:06.66
calltocourage
Ah.

01:06:16.62
Craig
We're we're on Ah, we're always on the precipice of some sort and and we can the the depth of any experience also brings the same amount of gold usually at the end of it. You know and and so when I'm like you know when I was at the depth of like feeling like. Just fucking done with everything you know and I mean like just so shit. Basically um, there's like it's It's an overcoming right? It's an overcoming and it's a mental state thing of like it's I Guess it's the same thing as sitting in an ice bath and it's fucking uncomfortable.

01:06:49.65
calltocourage
I have.

01:06:52.31
Craig
But when you when you somehow come through the end of that you you do manifest some kind of a change within yourself and you're never quite the same again and and and I used to see that in a negative sense I used to think well fuck I've just I felt like I you know you come out the other side and you feel like Jesus Christ I've just like run a marathon and I feel like shit and I'm tired and. Um, but now I really see it and it's like okay this is another opportunity to to really like unpack something that I that I feel like is not fully resolved um and and that's a that's ah that's a blessing you know I think that depth you were saying earlier like you know some people have you may have 1 or 2 things in your life that you need to sort of.

01:07:18.73
calltocourage
Nothing.

01:07:31.45
Craig
Resolve you know in this in this situation. Um, but I think people that have gone through more of these of more challenging times and in their life and whatever that is you know like I've got this 1 thing but other people have 55 things you know, um that just shows that you've had.

01:07:44.84
calltocourage
Um.

01:07:47.74
Craig
You've had more. You've had more iterations at at this on a soulful level and you've actually able to you're actually able to work through these things on a deeper layer. You're actually're, you're given what you're able to handle most of the time and and I feel like that can be seen as a blessing because you you're just on a.

01:08:00.27
calltocourage
Um, good call.

01:08:05.78
Craig
You're able to get to a depth that um that that maybe some people don't ever get to because they haven't had to um and and I think um I think so anyone listening to this ah has going through some kind of fucking ah trauma or tough time or or blockage in your life or whatever. Um i. You really one should really try and see that as a blessing and go like well that's clearly because I'm number 1 able to and I've been blessed to be ah, be able to um to have this opportunity to go deeper. Um and on the other side. It's like um, you know. There's always someone else that's worse and I know it's cliched where it's like fucking I'm so grateful that I have my eyes and my ears and you know so I'm forced into this gratitude space more often too. So um I know they just feel like that's that's sort of the gist of you know of the way I feel it you know or feel into it.

01:08:44.67
calltocourage
I have.

01:08:54.66
calltocourage
Yeah, so like the pain is also some sort of indication that there's something to be observed or to be looked at or to be worked through. Yeah so good.

01:09:02.31
Craig
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I mean like I would imagine. It's the same for you like dealing with something like some kind of pain in say you've had pain money pain and you think like why is this a block is like how do you? How do you feel like it's It's a different kind of pain but it's a certain certain pain point. Let's say.

01:09:19.27
calltocourage
And here.

01:09:21.71
Craig
And and you're you're also digging into yourself. You've chosen to say Well maybe it's something within me. Um, and I'm assuming that's kind of what I'm talking about with with physical pain. Um, but.

01:09:31.30
calltocourage
Are.

01:09:34.83
Craig
How how do you navigate that in your own life or how do you do you find it a curiosity thing or do you find it like I need to fix this or.

01:09:48.50
calltocourage
Yeah I think we agree we're saying the same thing I also agree that the I have this I've read the book. The body keeps the score like the idea that the physical body is merely a manifestation of yeah, some more subtle stuff that could be out of alignment whether it's intellectually or emotionally and it links into this. Analogy that I had of the emotional guidance system of recognizing that our emotions are giving us a signal at some point the times in my life when I was frustrated and pushed on manifested as physical illness in my world like I didn't look well and I was not able to yeah I was trying to get away from those uncomfortable feelings until my body eventually said to me like. Had the sense that my life would just spiral out of control if I didn't make a different choice I I got pink eye that lost it like three or four weeks and I was like what is going on like ah just my body was letting me know something needed to change. So yeah I think with with regards to the money stuff for me. It's really, it's still a wound but it's perhaps more at an intellectual or an emotional level. You know like it hasn't manifested as physical pain in my world but of this there's definitely some story that's being held that perhaps doesn't feel aligned to my highest good that might be trying to protect me or something to that effect and yeah looking at it through that lens of who is it and. At this stage I'm also doing this hypnotherapy with this coach to ready dive into those beliefs and see what is it? That's causing that. But yeah, there is ah there is a sense of pain or wounding of sorts for sure.

01:11:16.68
Craig
Yeah I think we will have a bit of that in our in our in our journey since one way or another you know.

01:11:22.10
calltocourage
I mean my money coach said to me today is like we're all carrying every person on the planet as some collective trauma around money as a function of the world. We live in the current way money and finances flow and work. We're all carrying some stuff that may not mean need to be. Released or at least feels like a wound for some of us. So yeah I wanted to ask you about the podcast you clearly for those listening you have an amazing ability to hold a conversation and to ask good questions. What did you learn from.

01:11:43.98
Craig
Um, yeah, hundred percent

01:11:58.69
calltocourage
Over a hundred episodes of the ridiculously human podcast. How was that journey for you as a creator.

01:12:05.40
Craig
Thanks man. Um, it was an interesting journey. It was it was ah like any ah crack that you have at something you can you do a lot of shit wrong. Um, and you do a lot of things right? and sometimes you. Hindsight is always super helpful with anything but but 1 of the big lessons was just to get started and I think that was that something it's taught me now that I can do that again and I can just start something like that and it and it um has been um.

01:12:38.16
Craig
Yeah, it's just been super valuable from that perspective just get started with something in it like it grows into something else. You know you don't you don't know where it's going to go. But that's okay too. Um, but part of the problem was we didn't have that plan from the beginning we just enjoyedating with you know with interesting people and one thing I must say is like I think a lot of people can.

01:12:46.85
calltocourage
Um.

01:12:57.49
Craig
Benefit from having something like a podcast besides from a business perspective. It's like learning how to get people together learning how to send a good email learning how to create. Um. Yeah, meaningful conversations in a um in a sort of kind in ah in a sort of a strange scenario because we most of the time we're we're online so that' this can be a bit challenging at times. Um, but the the idea of um. Just sitting down and having a longer form conversation with someone I I realized that everyone is interesting. Everyone has ah an amazing story and we're not that different from 1 another on on some fundamentals and we're very different on others but all of it is interesting and.

01:13:53.23
Craig
And so there's 1 thing that we that I never ended up doing with our podcast that I think yeah that I kind of regret that I haven't done yet. But I I want to and I and ah we've spoken about this before but like I think everyone should interview their.

01:14:10.25
Craig
Siblings and their mom and dad and people that are close to them at some stage in their life and because one day they're going to be old and and different and not quite that that youthful yeah person at some stage and um and it's when you're sitting down with someone. With some intent So this is there's an intention here and so that's why I like it that the format like you sit down with someone that you love and you have an intent with an intent and you interview them. We Everyone behaves s slightly different when you're being when there's recording happening and but I think to do that is really valuable and.

01:14:40.18
calltocourage
Are.

01:14:46.53
Craig
Um, because you can you uncover certain truths that it's almost like there's a middle like the camera and the the microphone is a middle ground so they're almost speaking not to Craig their son or whatever they're speaking to the microphone which then creates a little bit of a filter towards me their son for example and then. And you're getting a little bit more of this magic out. So I think creating so podcasts from that perspective and finding the reading between the lines in what what people are saying is super fascinating to me and there's there's almost no one that I've chatted to on the podcast that. Wasn't interesting on some level if you if you're willing to listen and ask and go beyond that 10 five ten minute chat when you get beyond that you start seeing people open up and and going into the space of like um of their truth. You know which is amazing. You know.

01:15:41.88
calltocourage
Thank you right? Yeah, It's such I found it to be such an amazing opportunity to have conversations that I perhaps wouldn't have I agree with the part that certain things change when it's recorded and I also want to share what you spoke into there which was some of the magic that I've. Gleaned from having had an intentional conversation with my mom to ask her about her life. And yeah I think framed as something that I wanted to do to get to know her deeper has really strengthened and built our relationship in such a powerful way. Um. That's allowed me to create a safe space for her to be able to ask any of the questions that she wants from me and me to be able to do the same for her and it's shifted our dynamic in that moment from the dynamic of mother and son to almost being like sisters like. Gossiping and sharing the news of what was exciting about our lives and asking questions in that space has really strengthened and deepened our relationship in such a meaningful Way. So Thank you for that reflection I Actually want to continue that and interview my my dad and my brother.

01:16:53.68
Craig
Ah, just a quick one are you are yeah am I coming through okay because I just feel like we've I've lost the.

01:16:58.21
calltocourage
I want to ask you something on. Um, yeah, we having some Zoom challenges here. This will come back together if you can hear me I'm gonna ask you this? Ah this question around your your health and I'd love you to share what's shifted in your world specifically around diet because I find it to be.

01:17:04.42
Craig
Yeah, give me.

01:17:15.00
calltocourage
Yeah, an interesting topic of conversation and it's It's been pretty strong in your healing Journey rat.

01:17:22.94
Craig
Sure yeah, big time. So I mean it's ah it's it's in some ways. It's super controversial because the um, there's a lot have been said about it lately but diet in and of itself is like 1 of the more controversial aspects to.

01:17:40.20
Craig
To us as human beings I can feel like it's It's a strange place to be because we in this day and age we don't have a clear concise way of of eating that is um, agreed upon and anyway so a long story short big part of this.

01:17:59.49
Craig
Autoimmune type stuff I was having a lot of skin issues like psoriasis and like Eczema and things like that. So the way I Just like to do this in my life is just Self-ex experimentrimentation. So you know I I said I said to myself look if I've got skin stuff going I got I've got eczemer. That has to be coming from the inside I don't think it's like some kind of emotional trauma at this stage. Although I think there's always linked to something there but I felt like I just had this intuition that it was something to do with um like my internal world physically. Um and I said to myself. Okay, look what I'm going to do is I'm going to try different.

01:18:36.44
calltocourage
Are.

01:18:37.32
Craig
Ways of eating and when this stuff goes away that's going to be the thing I'm going to stick to because I know that that means I'm not I haven't put like something to cover up the symptom I'm actually going down to the root cause ah um, that made sense to me so I tried the medical medium stuff I tried we. eating like eating vegan um I tried paleotype sort of stuff and anyway long story short you know thanks to people like Jordan Peterson and and just you know reading ah a berry Dr. Berry and there's a few a few others that I was. Like listening to paul saladinno in this bunchonge. Um the live king I I basically I want I wanted to see maybe the carnivore way of eating could could support me because it's it's ah it's a really powerful um elimination diet essentially um so. Long story short is I tried to go pretty strict for the for when I started and in within two weeks my skin had totally cleared up and and it was ah um, that was quite an obviously it was quite a manifest change in in my physical body within two weeks of changing the way I was eating. And then obviously I sort of delve into like why could that be and the the reality is that you know plants cannot run away from you so they they stuck in the ground whereas an animal would can bite your claw you so has its own defense.

01:19:53.98
calltocourage
Um, well.

01:20:10.91
Craig
Ah, mechanism but a plant is the only way to sort of defend itself is to have certain um chemicals within it that can you know maybe deter someone eating certain parts of the plants. For example, the leaves of a plant. Um, you know they wouldn't want an animal to come and eat all the leaves because you know it wouldn't be able to photosynthesize and and. And it would Die. Um, but a plant might be okay with eating some of the fruits of the tree because then you might disperse the seeds et Cetera. So um, there's certain parts of the plants that that make more sense to be eating um others that don't from this through this lens. Obviously there's.

01:20:38.71
calltocourage
Naha.

01:20:48.30
Craig
Once again, this can be a debate from from all angles. But um, this is the way I'm sort of telling myself that and why it's helping it. It makes sense to my to my brain. Um whereas if you were if you were out into nature and someone said to you listen you stuck out here in the Bush. No one's coming to help you. Just survive and someone said what would you? What would you go and eat and the last thing you would be saying is I'm going to go and find some kale I'm going to find some bark or you you just you're gonna say I'm going to go and eat an animal you know and and we've had discussions around this too like there's there's some kind of ah interesting. Been diagram here between loving animals and eating animals. Um, and and obviously I've done quite a lot of thinking around how these circles come together and and it is challenging. There. There is a challenging aspect to that I mean people say how can you love your cats. And your your dog and whatever and and and still go and eat a beautiful um cow for example, um, and so there are some. It's not entirely without um, some ethical questions that you're going to have to entertain but the truth is that I that I feel a thousand times better.

01:21:46.51
calltocourage
Red.

01:22:02.30
Craig
I've never felt better actually and um and my skin is cleared up and so for me like that that is a manifest and I've kept track of my bloods I've done bloods regularly to see how everything is going. Everything is looking epic. So I mean like I don't really know what else to say beyond that one should try. Everything and see what makes you feel the best and and don't I think the the food, the food pyramid or the hierarchy of of your food and all that is we we kind of know now that's all Bs you know so 2 has to um, get used to um, playing around and. Experimenting on yourself. Um, and and not take the word of anyone else in the scenario and I think that counts for lots of things in life but definitely with what you're eating.

01:22:49.80
calltocourage
Thank you man I yeah I was listening to that saying I'm going to wrap up by saying you know this? What is so important from this piece is to recognize that there isn't one size that fits all, there's no right way to do health. There's no right way to raise your kids. There's no there's not only one way to. You know, be in relationship like all of these things are up for debate and if we keep tuning into what our deep desires are and seeing what works in our lives by what we eat like yeah, most of the time we know what's good for us and we should. We should choose the path that serves us the best whether it comes to. What we eat or you know how we choose to raise our children. Whatever it is like I think what you've done. There is illustrated in a powerful way that yeah, something's not lined up I'm going to try each searching and you can only read so much before you actually need to experiment in a way. And try it on and see if it works gather some data and see what happens so I've seen you doing that for many things in your life and yeah Kidos it's ah it's a powerful way to live brother.

01:23:56.29
Craig
Thanks for man. Really appreciate it and saying to you man. It's been Ah, it's been a real journey and great opportunity to have brotherhood and and I really wishing like absolute success with your men's groups because I think it's it's. There's very few things that are as valuable as that right Now. Um and and these kind of conversations with people who have your genuine best interest at Heart is like just it can't be Yeah yeah.

01:24:18.76
calltocourage
Appreciate you brother. Thank you so much for.

01:24:34.35
calltocourage
I Think we're getting some contact overlay I don't know if your laptop is heated up past the point of being able to function properly. But yeah, just saying I appreciate you being on the show brother. Thank you for being alive.

01:24:43.60
Craig
Maybe I don't know it seems to be yeah.

01:24:51.00
calltocourage
And yeah, thank you for being my mate bro I really um on our friendship and what you're bringing to the world and what you're creating with Chantelle is yeah, an absolute blessing and I appreciate you my man.

01:25:04.42
Craig
Thanks Brother a time to you brother all the best and all the best for this amazing podcast rather.

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