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fsb
I'm here with Raphaelo Manacorda, brother, welcome to the father, son's brothers podcast.
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Raffaello Manacorda
Yeah, thanks, Gareth. Good to be here.
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fsb
It's been a hot minute. We met probably six years ago when, um, I got into my first Easter training. You were facilitated at one of the the first instance of what the first Easter that I did. And I was also pretty fresh in my relationship with mental. So it feels good to be hanging out with you again, man. Thank you for taking time out of your schedule to be here.
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Raffaello Manacorda
Yeah, I know, super happy to be here. And actually, you know, I had heard of you before that training, so somehow it feels like ah I've known you from a little bit before that, a few months before.
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fsb
And even though it's been a while since you and I had a conversation, I also feel like I've heard so much about you through, uh, through Araminta and through what's been moving through Esther. So, um, yeah, man, it's good to, to hang in person. I want to kick off the the show with a question that I ask most of my guests in a male body. The show is called father, son's brothers. And I'd love you to share a story about the role that you've played either as a father, son, or brother, or the relationship that you've had with a father, son, or brother, just as a way for the guests to get to know who you are.
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Raffaello Manacorda
Sure. So I'm not a father, ah so at least not biologically. So I'll go to the son or brother. And actually, it's interesting that you ask this question. My family of origin was a very male-dominated family. So it's my father, myself, a male brother of mine, and my mother. I do have a half-sister, but we never live together. And so me and my younger brother, I'm the elder, me and my younger brother, we have nine years in between.
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Raffaello Manacorda
So yeah, like the like a certain you know big or considerable difference means that I remember very clearly.
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fsb
Oh, wow.
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Raffaello Manacorda
the moment that my younger brother came to this world. You know, I was nine years old. I was like, you know, a kid.
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fsb
but Yeah.
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Raffaello Manacorda
And I was used to be a lone child or, you know, a solo solo traveler in the journey of being a son.
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fsb
Yeah.
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Raffaello Manacorda
And I really, really wanted to have a brother.
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fsb
Yeah.
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Raffaello Manacorda
I didn't want to have a sister necessarily. I wanted a brother. So somehow I feel or the story goes that I, you know, ah insisted so much and was so You know like determine with my parents that I wanted a brother they they were done you know they were done my father was 48 he was done.
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Raffaello Manacorda
um that one day they summoned me to their bed, to their, you know, bedroom and sat me down kind of, I was, you know, eight and a half. And they said, okay, so we've got we got a huge surprise for you, you know? and And I said, well, like the new video game that I've just seen and they're like, no, no, something better. I was like, better than that? I i don't know, I don't know, I really don't know what you're talking about.
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Raffaello Manacorda
you're going to have a brother. And that was like one of my, you know, Satori moments in my life, because I knew something in my soul knew that I needed to have a brother.
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fsb
Hmm.
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Raffaello Manacorda
And the interesting and and beautiful thing is that my younger brother and I are very close, we live very close together. ah He has got a son, I haven't got any, but he has got a son, so actually tomorrow morning I'm gonna see them.
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Raffaello Manacorda
And there is this beautiful male you know lineage, my father passed almost 20 years ago, and there is this beautiful lineage between me, my brother, and my brother's son that somehow touches on all those archetypes, even though it's not directly a father-son relationship.
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fsb
Okay.
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fsb
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fsb
Beautiful. how You said at the beginning of that, not biologically. What did you mean by that? Where do you see your role as a father that hasn't got biological implications?
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Raffaello Manacorda
So, you know, I love archetypes, I think a lot in terms of archetypes. And one very simple answer to that question is that even though I'm not a biological father, I do get projected father on a lot, right? So it's like, even though I'm not a biological father, there is no shortage of people in this world that have somehow consciously or not ah had parental projections on me because of my role. and the you know the mission that I have in life. And so I'm not a biological father, but as an archetypal father, I definitely have been that. Whether I knew it or not, it's a different story. And you know there's a lot to talk about that.
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fsb
We're going to get into archetypes because, uh, yeah, I'm super interested in that. Um, you said, uh, your mission and I'd love you to share a little bit about what you define your mission to be and how, uh, yeah, how you spend your time in the world.
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Raffaello Manacorda
So my mission in life has had many, incurd well, not many, a few incarnations, not many. um I don't know that I would be able to like summarize it, let's say in a mission statement, but clearly right now, and it has been this way for seven years, my mission is to dedicate my energy, my time, my capacities to the creation of transformational containers for people to step into.
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fsb
Mm hmm.
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Raffaello Manacorda
And the way that I do it on a practical level in this moment, as you know, mostly but um not exclusively, is by being part of a larger group of humans or a larger organization or organism that's called ISTA. But of course this is one embodiment of the of the of a purpose and what I know in my life is that I've been through cycles of being on purpose and off purpose and I know very well how those two distinct feelings are and right now i'm definitely in an on-purpose ah part of my life so i am aligned you know i am doing what i need to do of course there's obstacles and challenges but there is not that sense of like what am i doing with my life that i've definitely had before
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fsb
Hmm.
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Raffaello Manacorda
So right now, you know, my mission is ah very much connected to this collective creation, but it could be different in ah in a different time of my life, but it has to do with transformation and and awakening of human beings.
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fsb
Hmm. Yeah. Thank you for doing that work and for being, being on purpose. And I've got a question. Does that, does that on purpose, off purpose process that people go through, is that a natural cycle or do you think that's just something that happens as a function of you outgrowing a specific phase? And maybe when somebody feels like they're not on purpose, what are your suggestions of how they come back into, yeah, being in charge and and in in line with what it is that they feel that they're called to do?
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Raffaello Manacorda
My personal theory and theory of life, the on cycle, off cycle is a characteristic of the masculine. When I say the masculine, I mean the masculine both in men and women and people of all genders and orientations. it not you know It's not exclusive to men and then the feminine in all of us has other kinds of cycles.
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Raffaello Manacorda
But yeah, the the on purpose, off purpose is in my perception a function of the masculine. The the the movement between these two is not predictable or you know necessarily rhythmic, as in the case of the feminine. So you could be off purpose for five years and and on purpose for one or vice versa. So I don't know that there is a ah cadence to that.
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Raffaello Manacorda
And what I suggest to people that are in the off-track or off-purpose phase is to embrace it, you know, to not get busy, to not try to do, get shit done, but actually to become receptive, embrace the loss, embrace the sense of limbo and sometimes of confusion, but that can break which can be very difficult for the masculine in us. But know that that phase of receptivity is needed because we've just busted through one layer of purpose, and before the next manifests, usually we do need to get lost for some time.
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Raffaello Manacorda
But in that in that moment of being lost, you know signals are coming, things are coming, so if we are attentive to them, then we you know make the off-purpose space more effective and not procrastinate it too often.
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fsb
Hmm. Yeah. Would you say that off purpose phase has a little bit more to do with being in more a feminine polarity of being open to receptivity and, uh, you know, being able to receive and listen.
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Raffaello Manacorda
Yeah, I would say that, you know, like everything is a fractal of everything. So you can, you know, you can split it always into and assign masculine and feminine. But yes, definitely if we take on purpose and off purpose and put them side by side, the off purpose would be the more receptive. And I could also use the word, you know, feminine. I mean,
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Raffaello Manacorda
Again, only in the in the side of that being receptive, because that's not to suggest in any way that the family in all of us is more you know lost or less ah you know has less of a direction.
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fsb
Mm hmm.
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fsb
No, no, no, yeah.
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Raffaello Manacorda
But yeah, for for many men, for example, one of the challenges about the off-purpose phase is learning to surrender, be receptive, be attentive.
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fsb
Yeah.
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Raffaello Manacorda
One thing I want to say, you know we could talk about this for hours, but one thing one of the beautiful
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Raffaello Manacorda
characteristics of the off-purpose phase if taken in a mature way, which I didn't for most of my life and probably I wouldn't, oh is that we can be much more in the present moment, you know, because we're not like an arrow targeted towards the future.
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fsb
ah
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Raffaello Manacorda
You know, when I am on purpose, obviously the future and the past do have a weight in my consciousness because I am directed somewhere.
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fsb
Right.
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Raffaello Manacorda
But when I am off purpose, that's exactly the time when I can allow myself to go out of my house and wander the streets not knowing where I'm going you know and and follow a bird here and a sound there and that's exactly what I'm meant to do when I am off purpose but I don't always remember to do that.
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fsb
what How does somebody who's showing up in their day-to-day routine, doing a job following it, recognize that they might not be on purpose? What are the indications that you're doing what you've been called to do?
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Raffaello Manacorda
Yeah, ah that's a wonderful question. um I feel the first thing I want to say about it is that in my perception anyway, our society is not you know, ah it's not built to understand these things and to honor these things as many other things. So if if you're taking the example of a nine to five job, then ah there is a huge incentive to never go off purpose, you know, and to always be productive, to always be on top of things, to always always be ah geared towards doing and
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Raffaello Manacorda
aligning one's personal purpose in general with the purpose of the corporation that someone is working in and all kinds of things that are maybe effective in terms of the capitalistic system are not necessarily aligned with how humans.
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Raffaello Manacorda
work. So what are the signs of, you know, we're starting to drift towards the off-purpose phase?
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fsb
Mm hmm.
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Raffaello Manacorda
Well, usually the signs is like, you know, the same thing that I was doing for years and that filled me with energy when I was waking up in the morning. I was like, okay, great, you know, like let me go to work.
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Raffaello Manacorda
I love this job. I'm doing something meaningful and impactful. All of a sudden it starts to feel empty. you know it starts to feel like and nothing changed so i may be very very confused about why you know i may be doing it might happen to me you know that happened to me in a year from now or six months from now or whatever i might get up to do my you know and training that i love and i enjoy and i might feel I'm not energized. It feels empty. And so paradoxically, you know we we reach the off-purpose phase oftentimes either through failure or through success. you know Oftentimes we exhaust a purpose because we succeeded in it. So it's it's it's done. It's not what it needed to do in our in our existence. So I think those are the signs, you know starting to fantasize about being somewhere else.
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Raffaello Manacorda
starting to feel more alive when I imagine myself stopping this activity that I'm doing versus when I imagine myself doing it and catching those signs is problematic because they bring up emotions, they can bring up shame and guilt, all kinds of things, but there are signs.
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fsb
ye
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fsb
Feeling guilty about the fact that I have a job and I'd want to do something else. I feel guilty about that.
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Raffaello Manacorda
Yeah, and also especially feeling guilty about the fact that they I may have people depending on on me doing my job well and you know family that I'm supporting, all kinds of things.
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fsb
rut
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fsb
Do you see that ah purpose and job have to be linked together?
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Raffaello Manacorda
You know, the the concept of job is a very recent ah construct in in human history, if you wish. For the longest time, humans didn't have a job. So you know if we talk archetypes, I would probably argue that the archetype of job doesn't even exist. you know It's too young of a thing to have even become an archetype. On the other hand, purpose is a very ancient thing you know it's a very there's definitely is an archetype of purpose so when we're putting our ah purpose and job together it's like you know it's like a very ancient and big psychic construct which is purpose that could overlap but doesn't necessarily overlap with a super young and recent human creation which is the job like the nine to five job so this is one of the tragedies tragedies I believe of you know modern life
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fsb
Uh huh.
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Raffaello Manacorda
They don't always overlap. They might, but jobs haven't been created with purpose ah in mind.
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fsb
Right.
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Raffaello Manacorda
They have been created for a utilitarian ah you know system. So they don't necessarily have to align. And the experience of many people is that they don't, ah because jobs are a completely different creature.
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Raffaello Manacorda
then purpose When they do a align, however, you will probably find that someone has a really hard time describing what they do as a job. you know like This is my case.
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fsb
Yes. Yes.
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Raffaello Manacorda
I'd rather call it a mission or an endeavor or a collective creation or something like that.
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fsb
Right. Yeah, beautiful. I think I would love to drop into the conversation around archetypes and maybe start with the question of how you define an archetype if somebody perhaps hasn't used this as ah as ah as a placeholder for for what you've been talking about. So how do you define an archetype?
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Raffaello Manacorda
It's a great question. I teach you know classes on that. and It's always tricky with definitions, but um with archetype, you know one thing that can support us is the very word archetype, which was introduced at least to to popular culture and particularly to psychological jargon by Kargustaveum, as you probably know, like in the early ah decades of the 20th century. So archetype comes from two roots, two Greek roots that are put together, and one of those roots is archae.
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Raffaello Manacorda
which means something ancient, primal, original, like you could you could think like, you know, like the mold of something that that generates a million copies, like that's archae, that's like something primitive and primal, but not in the sense of that being unable, just in the sense of that being the first.
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fsb
Mm hmm.
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fsb
but
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fsb
Okay.
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Raffaello Manacorda
And then, ah type, or tupon, or tupos, I'm not sure with with Greek here, means form, or shape, or category if you will so the archetypes are really sort of like you know moles that exist somewhere and we can talk more about where and that a lot of our individual experiences and behaviors and things that we see do feel are simply
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fsb
okay
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Raffaello Manacorda
um variations or you know products of that one single mold. So in the same way that we can have the mold or the archetype of father, for instance, and then it can show up in so many different ways in individual experience, but they're all linked together by something very um potent and in ah in a certain sense very real.
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fsb
Okay.
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Raffaello Manacorda
So this is not abstract, but it is real because there is a very real substrate of reality where these archetypes exist.
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fsb
Got it. Okay, so we know more or less what they are. why Why? Why would we be interested in this? What's the idea of studying this? Can you give some examples so someone now understands where the word comes from and what it means? Why why would we be interested in this and how can it support someone listening to the show?
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Raffaello Manacorda
The reason why we would be interested in that is because, again, in the at least in Western culture, but in the early decades of the 20th century and also last decade was the of the century before, a number of people discovered that what we what what' what exists inside of us is not all conscious.
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Raffaello Manacorda
you know what What I see inside of myself is maybe, let's say 20% of what actually is there. It's the tip of the iceberg.
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fsb
Uh huh.
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Raffaello Manacorda
So my inner world is full of content that I do not see, but that content influences my life in a massive way. And you know and using very broad terms, that content is called the unconscious.
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Raffaello Manacorda
And the unconscious is ah is a very big term, but basically the discovery mainly of Jung and others was that part of that unconscious, part of that content that I do not see, is not something that I have learned or experienced or even ah has anything to do with my individual life. It's a common unconscious pool of stuff that pretty much every human being shares, and it's called the collective unconscious.
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fsb
Okay.
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Raffaello Manacorda
And in the same way you know that you could say a bird, when a bird is born, a bird has the instinct to fly. No one has taught the bird to fly. you know It has the instinct to do it. It's part of their collective unconscious.
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Raffaello Manacorda
And in a similar way, our collective unconscious as humans is populated by many things and amongst them archetypes.
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fsb
Okay.
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Raffaello Manacorda
So understanding archetypes literally means A, understanding oneself better because I can understand part of my unconscious, but it also means understanding other humans in a very specific way that's ah beyond you know race, gender, political opinions, age. Now, that's not to say that the collective unconscious is eternal, it is not eternal, but it moves and changes in much longer cycles than one individual lifespan. so
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fsb
Hmm.
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Raffaello Manacorda
To all intents and purposes, it's it's kind of you know it can feel like it is eternal, although it is not, because it changes so much more slowly than our individual ideas and thoughts.
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fsb
Hmm.
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Raffaello Manacorda
And a lot of what we do and feel and experience is dictated by what exists in the collective unconscious in the form of archetypes.
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fsb
Such a great description. Thank you. right That was sweet. So like what you've used an idea of an archetype and you've used farther, but what, what else could somebody understand an archetype to be if you gave some practical examples? So this idea of a collective unconscious that has access or data that we can all tap into and all have, you know, essentially part of us built into us. What, what would some other archetypes be just for the sake of explanation?
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Raffaello Manacorda
There is a lot of them, there is probably an infinite number of them, but I was just reflecting which is interesting that your podcast's name is ah uses three words and all of the three of them are archetypes. And probably not by chance, you know, because by saying father, brothers and sons, you can connect to millions of humans, billions of humans, that will understand ah because you are tapping into archetypes.
00:20:03.75
Raffaello Manacorda
So father is an archetype, son is an archetype, brother is an archetype, and mother, sister, and daughter as well. And then there's some archetypes that are maybe, you know, I could say nowadays starting to be popular again, such as, for example, shadow.
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fsb
Yep.
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Raffaello Manacorda
Shadow is an archetype. um
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fsb
Okay.
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Raffaello Manacorda
you know even you know This is a bit of a more complicated discussion, but on some level you could say that God or God-Godness is in itself an archetype as well, although it is not any archetype. It is in a way a special archetype and in more psychological parlance there is another special archetype that's called the self with a capital S that holds a ah special place in these constellations. And then another one is persona. You know, so anything basically that's liable to be felt and understood by millions of people across cultures, across social state, social class and all kinds of different individual differences is probably correlated to an archetype.
00:21:15.19
fsb
Okay, and then practically, how how do we use these to get to know ourselves better? So these infinite number of descriptors exist for energetic forms, how do we actually tune in into these to get to know ourselves better, assuming that we've only got access to 20% consciously of what's going on inside us?
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Raffaello Manacorda
Yeah, so the first of all, the the you know the the small percentage of what we have access to is something that can be changed. It can be changed through introspection and all kinds of work, whether embodied work, which is the style that I prefer nowadays, but also you know more so just self introspection.
00:21:52.85
Raffaello Manacorda
And then once we start tuning into the world and language of archetypes, there's plenty of things we can do with them. For example, one of the ah things that Jung himself and others love to do was what's called free association. And this could be done verbally, but also by painting or by any creative action, like, you know, with clay or with paint or drawing on the um the sand and just allowing the consciousness to draw liberally, but giving it, for example, a starting point. Like, father could be a starting point. If I tune into my experience of father and do my best to interrupt my opinions, judgments, and all kinds of filters that I have,
00:22:37.55
Raffaello Manacorda
and just allow, let's say, my words or my paintbrush to draw a father, what will emerge? And I would be surprised, you know, I might, let's say, draw a figure with a beard or maybe two horns or maybe a huge eye.
00:22:54.53
Raffaello Manacorda
you know that's looking at me or maybe a fire and then i start navigating this archetypal world and i start discovering associations that i didn't know that i had i might for example discover an association between father and fire this is just a pure example what does that mean you know when ah it's giving me information about myself but potentially also about humanity in general
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fsb
Okay. Uh-huh.
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Raffaello Manacorda
It's, for example, quite well known that in many cultures there is an association or archetypal association between father and bread.
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fsb
Okay.
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Raffaello Manacorda
similarly as between mother and milk, which is perhaps more obvious.
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fsb
Okay.
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Raffaello Manacorda
And when I start exploring those associations, I might understand, for example, why having bread on my table gives me a sense of comfort and security.
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fsb
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Raffaello Manacorda
You know, it's not just because it feeds me, it's because it makes me feel that, oh, the father energy is somewhere near and that gives me comfort. you know I'm just you know sort of like exploring a little bit improvising here, but this is the kind of directions that association and understanding and inspirational archetypes can take us to.
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fsb
Hmm.
00:24:03.59
fsb
Hmm. So would you say that somebody is born with like a primary sort of coded archetype that they're aware of and they then don't have access to others? Or do we all have similar archetypes? Or sort of how do you see that in the role that a specific imprint plays on a specific human being?
00:24:20.99
Raffaello Manacorda
So the theory goes, and I think it's a good theory, that all of us are born with, and let's say, an identical set of archetypes, or whatever that means in archetypal language, and you can never compare exactly bit by bit. so And when we are born,
00:24:39.14
Raffaello Manacorda
And for a long time, we do not have access to them in a conscious way. So like now we can talk about the archetype of father because we are putting our attention on it. But for the longest time in our lives, we didn't know that there was an archetype of father. We just knew that there was a father or the absence of a father or maybe a man that you know we unconsciously wanted to be the archetype of father and one of the amazing things and fascinating things is that a lot of our drama and disappointment in life
00:25:11.81
Raffaello Manacorda
might come according to this theory by the fact that archetypes have very pure and sort of like defined qualities whereas human beings are very mutable you know and very uh changeable so if i took that man to be father as an archetype sooner or later he must have done something that didn't match you know with the archetype of father and that would have been painful to witness for a child.
00:25:36.02
fsb
Yes.
00:25:39.63
Raffaello Manacorda
So a lot of our pain comes from this juxtaposition of you know perfect and pure and powerful archetypes with fallible, immutable and ah you know unpredictable human beings.
00:25:57.15
fsb
And so if someone's got a specific coding that they that they sort of adapt as a function of learning this, how how do you how do you tap into the other archetypes as a way to grow as a person or to become more integrated through accessing other archetypes?
00:26:10.28
fsb
How could that look? Is that the journey that you're talking about with the drawing or that that journey?
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Raffaello Manacorda
For example,
00:26:15.69
fsb
Or is there other ways to take into it?
00:26:16.45
Raffaello Manacorda
yeah for example in my case, yeah in my case as as you probably know, at some point I decided to go into the field of embodied spirituality. you know There's different some subgroups. And so I discovered that there were very powerful ways to access those archetypes through my body.
00:26:37.26
Raffaello Manacorda
right So for example, there was a moment in my life where I wanted to touch more or connect more deeply with the archetype of the wild man inside of me, the uncivilized wild man. This is a powerful archetype, the wild man as well. Also the wild woman, that's a different story.
00:26:56.62
fsb
Yep.
00:26:56.92
Raffaello Manacorda
And so, of course, I could have journaled, I could have, you know, thought about it, I could have done verbal association, but it was much more powerful to go towards it with the help and the support of my body. What did that mean? That meant putting myself through processes, ah rituals, ceremonies, however you want to call them in nature, many of them in nature.
00:27:21.43
Raffaello Manacorda
But with an awareness that what I was doing also, you know, but besides having fun and having challenges and growing and crying and all of that, was consciously tuning in and connecting to that archetype. So I could go naked in the forest and, you know, be nonverbal for some time and and roll in the grass and touch and smell and open my senses to the forest also as a way to connect to the archetype better and in a deeper way, if that makes sense.
00:27:53.95
fsb
Yeah, I love that. I want to go a little deeper on that question. what What made you choose that archetype? What did you see in your life that made you say, this is the one that I want to choose out of an infinite possibility?
00:28:04.43
Raffaello Manacorda
So, I mean, the Wildman is just one of the architects that I work with, but that one was very, very important for me to work on, basically because I was born and raised as a city boy. you know That's my biography. I grew up in Rome, big city, very you know interested in technology since the early age, and at the same time,
00:28:28.65
Raffaello Manacorda
I had easy access to my sexual the sexual part of me, you know to my sexual desires, to my sexual energy. However, between my civilized self and my sexual self, there was a huge gap.
00:28:44.34
Raffaello Manacorda
like all the part in between that has to do on one hand with the emotional capacity of a human being was very dormant for me so I had to do a lot of work on that but also the part of me that's just an animal and that has instincts and that has also survival instincts for example and capacity to smell the situation I had collapsed that animal part with the sexual part yeah ah in other words just to rephrase it in a different way All through my teenager years, the only way for me to be uncivilized you know and, um if you wish, unintellectual was through either in sexual situations or you know when my sexuality was present, or through drugs, which is another shortcut that many of us use.
00:29:30.34
fsb
Yeah.
00:29:34.87
Raffaello Manacorda
I didn't have any other access to the part of me that's uncivilized, that's animal, and it's not necessarily sexual.
00:29:34.90
fsb
yeah
00:29:42.81
Raffaello Manacorda
So I had to do work on it. I couldn't access it easily. And maybe if I had been raised in you know in in nature or in ah in a more ah traditional and close to nature society, that wouldn't have been a problem for me.
00:29:58.78
Raffaello Manacorda
But it was because how the way because of the way I grew up.
00:29:59.89
fsb
m
00:30:04.07
fsb
It's such a powerful one. And I think so many men in our community know some of the content of ours that's done the best. And it's also a function of my own upbringing is the, the archetype slash role that we've played as men ah in people pleasing, you know, the wanting to show up for others continually, always checking in. And I think that the way that you show up in relationship with that has its superpowers, but where you don't have access to the more dark, maybe more wild man type energy, it can become pretty unhealthy in a connection. And there's, you know, there's a part of me that this is definitely an edge for me to work on. And for men listening to those that, you know, potentially
00:30:40.59
fsb
don't have access to that meaning, like especially in the bedroom, to not be able to access some of the dark and really take away some of the polarity. And I think we've also, we're navigating a pretty tricky time around this because people haven't necessarily seen that use of power and maybe even the the word taking in a safe way in a sexual environment to be able to be embodied in a healthy way. And I think there's definitely collectively quite a lot of work to do around this particular archetype. Would you say it's linked to the people, please? Like it's some way, like a different polarity to that.
00:31:11.07
Raffaello Manacorda
Yeah, for sure. I mean, youre you're touching here on so many powerful archetypes. And what I mostly love about what you just said, Gerrit, is that you touched on a very, very painful split here, which is the light-dark conundrum. And I fully ah wholeheartedly agree with you. like Any human being, whether male or female, that disconnects a healthy capacity to connect with some of the healthy light archetypes and some of the healthy dark archetypes is going to suffer consequences, as you said. and so For example, people pleaser when when we talk about people pleaser, what's really jarring about it, in my opinion? A face value, someone that is
00:31:57.06
Raffaello Manacorda
helpful to others and wants others to be happy is, you know, why not? Sounds like ah an amazing thing to to be around. But the problem with that ah is that the people pleaser when it becomes like a crystallized behavior is deeply and profoundly inauthentic.
00:32:16.46
fsb
Hmm.
00:32:16.81
Raffaello Manacorda
Right? So it's it's the the person that has a smile on their face and wants everybody to be happy while actually they're stepping in anger or or having other kinds of emotional things going on.
00:32:25.82
fsb
Mm-hmm.
00:32:28.04
Raffaello Manacorda
So the inauthenticity of that behavior is what's difficult for anybody really to to accept because the the truth behind that is that every human being is naturally inclined to be both light and dark both masculine and feminine in different proportions but we all have learned to sort of like cut off some of that psychic content as non-acceptable and that's inevitable in in the ah growth of ah of any socialized human being but then we need to painstakingly undo you know that conditioning and reass and and and rejoin those part that we had
00:33:08.35
Raffaello Manacorda
Exiled but just to to finish you know to to give a an interesting country example It's totally conceivable that someone who grew up.
00:33:13.40
fsb
yeah
00:33:16.15
Raffaello Manacorda
Let's say in a gang for example would have the opposite journey. You know, they would they really have to learn how to connect to the light archetypes, you know, to the, to the you know, to the, I don't know, maybe to the healthy people pleaser is not the right word, but like to the part that can be generous, kind and and a little bit naive because that part that exists in them would probably have been suppressed and repressed because of the environment that and they grew up with.
00:33:21.24
fsb
Yes.
00:33:43.30
Raffaello Manacorda
So everybody has a different, you know, ah part of themselves of their psychic totality cut off and we all need to work hard to reconnect to it.
00:33:52.48
fsb
This is a question actually for me and probably for other people listening to this, like, I have a ah difficult time and it's that my edge to work on is bringing that wild man space slash dark energy into the bedroom. And what is what is a way to develop that? How do you how do you develop these parts of yourself if you recognize this, you know, like, for me, I can explain what it looks like. It has a lot to do with like,
00:34:17.08
fsb
continually checking in and making sure that my partner's okay every time I'm in a love-making situation. And like you said, beautiful for a while, and then it somehow lacks almost 50% of the energy that's available, but I don't know that I can access it so easily. what's the What's the way to do that? And straight up, we've actually been a little bit frozen in this particular polarity in our connection over the last few years. And yeah, it's because of my upbringing, the palat boy slash people, please a part of me,
00:34:44.36
fsb
Yeah, it hasn't has it found a way to access that energy in a healthy way. And if you have any suggestions about what that could be, I think it would definitely support me and probably some other people listening.
00:34:55.07
Raffaello Manacorda
Yeah, totally, totally feeling you. And I've had this conversation, you know, many, many times before, and it's partly my own journey um in the past, especially in my teens. So I think It's a really beautiful question to ask, and even the fact that a a man is asking that question means that already they're willing to make a difference between accessing healthy darkness in the bedroom and being a rapist, because that's the terror, basically, right, that lurks behind, like,
00:35:27.77
fsb
Right. The lack of safety or yeah consent maybe.
00:35:30.63
Raffaello Manacorda
Yeah, am I going to create exactly?
00:35:31.32
fsb
be
00:35:32.35
Raffaello Manacorda
Am I going to create a abuse? Am I going to create some non-consensual situation? and it's you know It's ironic because obviously the men that ask themselves those questions are very unlikely to create any No horrible nonconsensual ah situation but but the interrogation is fair because you know the risk is there so how can we how can we lean into that exploration anything really the way is to create containers.
00:35:55.11
fsb
Right.
00:36:03.49
Raffaello Manacorda
limited containers with with your partner or with whoever you can explore those energies limited containers where that exploration can be safe for both because the sense of unsafety can be present for both you know for both the one that's in an active role or in a more receptive role and what that can look like could be all right i want to explore you know going a little bit more into my
00:36:16.46
fsb
Right.
00:36:27.87
Raffaello Manacorda
you know, dark, savage, wild man archetype in the bedroom, would you be willing to to support me and to experience that with me? And of course, if the other person says no, it's no, but if they say yes, then a good next step could be, all right, let's create a container.
00:36:44.89
Raffaello Manacorda
A container means we're gonna play this out for a number of minutes. It's not forever, you know, there's a time container.
00:36:51.80
fsb
Mm hmm.
00:36:52.22
Raffaello Manacorda
So actually setting an a alarm is a really good thing.
00:36:54.79
fsb
Okay.
00:36:55.47
Raffaello Manacorda
And then we're gonna have certain boundaries and maybe in a first exploration, the boundary could be no penetration or even no nudity. It's still good because energies are energies and they can be accessed in different ways. Then it might be also having a safe world.
00:37:10.75
Raffaello Manacorda
which means you know the person who is in the other polarity knows that if they say red, you know everything stops.
00:37:18.55
fsb
Okay.
00:37:18.78
Raffaello Manacorda
And then with all those caveats put in place, then now, as you were saying very beautifully, now my job is, okay, can I trust the container and my partner enough?
00:37:31.16
Raffaello Manacorda
that I allow myself to go into that energy and maybe I don't need to check in every two minutes. Are you okay? Are you doing well? Because I trust that the container is taking care of that.
00:37:41.77
fsb
Mmm.
00:37:42.60
Raffaello Manacorda
Now, that doesn't mean that I can ever lose presence. Like there can always be a moment where I do need to check in. You know, like something happens. I see my partner, you know, looking a bit confused and dazed. I'm like, hey, how are you doing? So that check-in is beautiful and warranted.
00:38:01.39
Raffaello Manacorda
But the constant checking in, which can come from a ah fear you know of going into a hurtful situation or even more even you know beyond an abusive situation, could be mitigated by having created together a very good container. And this is, by the way, basically in a nutshell what the BDSM community you know does when they create scenes. They create very clear containers,
00:38:26.60
Raffaello Manacorda
where there is a clarity and an understanding that allows people to go into it with the container taking care of some of the safety so that people can then lean into more the experience of what's happening. And then if that goes well, you know, you can start expanding some of those boundaries.
00:38:41.85
fsb
Mmm, that's great great explanation. You know, it's ah interesting, you know up until a few years ago. I really just had this like real sense that BDSM was just somehow dirty, like just from the frame of how I was brought up in the world. like To see you know intimacy and pain somehow linked together, I just didn't have a reference point for how that could be anything healthy. and i mean It speaks to my imprint of of the world that I was brought up in and sort of a conservative view around sexuality. and
00:39:12.22
fsb
you know how i was explained about how sex should look you know one partner that you get married to like you know so you see this and you don't even have an idea of what the exploration may even be so yeah it's just ah super interesting too to start to explore that a little bit more and to have these these spaces because i think it's so interesting because Maybe I'll ask this in a question. what Why do we have such an aversion to the dark? We tend to have a world, maybe the world that I was brought up in, but like it tends to be more that I come across people that are scared of accessing their dark energies and more polarized towards the light, specifically in in intimate connections. What do you think is driving that? Is that a cultural thing? Is that a safety thing?
00:39:54.35
Raffaello Manacorda
It is absolutely a cultural thing. I mean, if we talk Western societies, and I do realize that this is very, very limiting way of of speaking, you know, I know you're from South Africa.
00:40:04.45
fsb
thank you
00:40:06.17
Raffaello Manacorda
And so like, even me using the word Western, you know, it's northern hemisphere based, like there is a lot wrong with that, but just
00:40:13.78
fsb
but
00:40:14.66
Raffaello Manacorda
to to give it a little name like in some way you know the way that you grew up with and the way that I grew up with had some common cultural denominators that roughly speaking very roughly speaking um are connected to We could say to Christianity, you know, to the cultural ah revolution and religious revolution that Christianity was. And Christianity didn't happen in a vacuum, you know, it also was born out of a previous cultural and religious medium. But to really simplify things for whatever reason, I won't go too much into that, but Christianity did a very strong operation on divinity, which was to
00:41:00.05
Raffaello Manacorda
basically as a first really to create the image of a god that was only good and in a way you could say only light.
00:41:07.93
fsb
Mm.
00:41:10.07
Raffaello Manacorda
If you go to the previous iteration of that which would be the the the Jewish god of the of the old gospel you know the Yahweh of the Old Gospel that God wasn't only good and light that God could get really angry you know and become really scary and dangerous and also could be very compassionate so it could be both you know it was in that sense a bit more of a whole but
00:41:31.09
fsb
Uh-huh. Mm.
00:41:35.46
Raffaello Manacorda
ah Christianity, for whatever reasons, which I'm not criticizing, I'm just you know expounding, ah converted that that God into a God that was all and only good and light.
00:41:42.42
fsb
Yeah, yeah.
00:41:50.50
Raffaello Manacorda
And therefore, the humans that got that were sort of like adhering to that conception of God inevitably tried to make themselves similar to that.
00:42:03.26
fsb
m Cool.
00:42:04.10
Raffaello Manacorda
you know and And so the the meekness of the Christian martyrs, ah for the first time in history, it became a virtue you know to to give the other cheek.
00:42:15.10
Raffaello Manacorda
And that brought a lot of beautiful consequences to humanity.
00:42:15.79
fsb
Hm.
00:42:18.83
Raffaello Manacorda
I'm not criticizing it, but also of course, ah collaborated or co-created a situation that we find ourselves 2000 plus years later,
00:42:29.63
Raffaello Manacorda
where, as you say, it's not just an intimacy actually, it's everywhere. Most of us in these societies that we're taking as a reference are averse to darkness. And actually we have come to equate darkness with evil, but it it definitely wasn't always like that.
00:42:45.20
fsb
Hmm, that's a great description. what What are the consequences of not accessing these parts of ourselves? what what What is the outcome of not being connected to these parts of ourselves? Besides what I've spoken into here.
00:42:58.17
Raffaello Manacorda
yeah I mean on a psychic level every time ah we repress or suppress those two things are slightly different a psychic content ah that comes at a cost at a cost that comes at a psychic cost and the psychic cost is different degrees of psychic tension, not feeling good about oneself, a sense of guilt and then all the way to it could become pathological in personality splits, personality disorders, ah schizophrenia and stuff like that but it doesn't always get to that point.
00:43:36.89
fsb
right.
00:43:37.29
Raffaello Manacorda
But the psychic tension of feeling that I am not in touch with the whole of myself is in a way inescapable because no human being can be consistently in touch with the whole of their psychic, ah you know, reality. So in one way, this is part and parcel of being human. But at the same time, when the ah division between what's conscious and what is unconscious becomes fixed, sort of like crystallized, and
00:44:07.85
Raffaello Manacorda
you know, never changed, then you get that situation that was sort of like ah made into a popular story, into the story of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, you know, when you have someone that, you know, whose persona is all beautiful and helpful and impeccable, but then there is a lurking monster that is not evil, it's just repressed and therefore unknown and unnoticed.
00:44:19.54
fsb
Right.
00:44:32.80
Raffaello Manacorda
that is you know being to to be expressed and that's when people get into some level of like you know outbursts or you know the typical situation of the good family father that does something that no one ever thought they would be capable they they would have been capable of. So there is real, you know, individual and collective costs to the the ongoing practice of repressing and suppressing psychic contents. That's not to say that the solution to that is just like letting everything lose because that's not even possible, but the practice of
00:45:11.02
Raffaello Manacorda
gently and lovingly getting in touch with what's not being seen in our own psyche, our and in the collective psyche, leads to more psychic health. And because physical and societal health are very much connected to psychic health, that just helps.
00:45:27.52
fsb
For sure. Yeah. So in your work with with archetypes, and it's because most of the men, most of the listeners of this show are men, what do you see as some other sort of archetypes that tend to live in the shadow? We've spoken specifically about the wild men, but have you got another couple that you could share that you know you see in men that we don't access for whatever reason, but tend to be more shadowy?
00:45:50.02
Raffaello Manacorda
or the classic one, and this may be you know surprising or not to to your audience of men, is our inner feminine. right By virtue, and there's a name for that, there's a technical name for that, which is anima in Jungian vocabulary.
00:46:05.64
Raffaello Manacorda
Because I'm generalizing here, but most of us were socialized as men. We were told, you know, you're a man.
00:46:12.23
fsb
Yeah.
00:46:12.50
Raffaello Manacorda
Great. Awesome. So very early on, we learned that certain behaviors and characteristics and even emotions and thoughts were acceptable within that.
00:46:24.09
Raffaello Manacorda
box or label of being a man and we also learned that some other behaviors, thoughts, feelings that we might have experienced were not acceptable and were deemed and considered as too feminine. So all of those behaviors, thoughts, even skills got um relegated to the shadow.
00:46:46.52
Raffaello Manacorda
Let's let's say that I you know was born with an incredibly good fine motion that made me really good at doing macrame. you know Most likely, I could have tried once or twice to do that and saw that I was very good at it, but then someone would have looked at me like, what are you doing?
00:47:03.91
Raffaello Manacorda
You're a boy. Boys don't do macrame.
00:47:05.88
fsb
hu Right.
00:47:06.03
Raffaello Manacorda
So I would have relegated that skill into my shadow. so Taking this to the extreme, we could say that by the time someone gets to it up a man gets to adulthood, there is almost a full-fledged feminine being you know with all kinds of traits and you know pros and cons and tastes and whatever that lives inside of us and is the collection of all those feminine traits that were not acceptable for us to
00:47:30.88
fsb
Yeah.
00:47:41.05
Raffaello Manacorda
to own. So on one level it's okay because again nobody is supposed to be a totality. There's always going to be something that's more in the light and something that's more in the shadow. That's that's by definition definition. But getting in touch gently and lovingly with our inner feminine is definitely one of the most powerful things someone that has been socialized as a man can do.
00:48:08.03
fsb
since Thank you. Yeah, I'm really glad to ask that because yeah, such an important part of my journey as well as I've started to work with archetypes and get to know my inner feminine and you know, some of her gifts and shadows. And like you said, because she's been not ah she hasn't been in my conscious awareness being raised in South Africa, which is quite a quite a strong masculine go out there, do this play group sports, that type of stuff.
00:48:31.48
fsb
She tends to be quite young as I get to know her. She's kind of immature in a lot of ways. And so holding space for this young part of myself and really seeing what her beauties are and what her blind spots are has been such a strong journey. But yeah, just realizing that it's like having another person living there that just has been in the corner. No one spoke to her. It's nuts.
00:48:52.18
Raffaello Manacorda
Totally. And it's the same for me, you know, my inner family is also younger and more immature than than my inner masculine.
00:48:58.46
fsb
Uh-huh.
00:48:58.82
Raffaello Manacorda
And then when it gets completely crazy is that then, you know, when you get in the case of heterosexual relationships, for instance, then you partner with a woman that is very likely to to have had the opposite experience, you know, so she also holds most likely a more immature boy let's say or young man inside and so on one level there is the relationship between me and my partner you know here I am a 47 year old man with a certain degree of maturity in certain things and my partner you know late 30s so you know we we can feel somehow you know relatively conscious but then under the surface there is another relationship that's happening and that's the one between my
00:49:44.30
Raffaello Manacorda
younger inner woman and her younger inner man that may be putting in place all kinds of dynamics that we may feel that we are beyond, you know, we we surface that, but actually it's still there. So it becomes a foursome really, and that's quite, you know, interesting and complex.
00:50:03.52
fsb
It's such a beautiful thing to to think about because, you know, it's not just, you know, if you're listening to this and you're in a male body in a heterosexual relationship, you think men and women in a relationship. But as Rafa is talking about, yeah, there's really four of you in this partnership and you need a whole space for all of them. Recognizing that Diana, my princess, is super young and she does have some some interesting... She grabs the microphone. I have this analogy of her grabbing the microphone that drives my choices at certain times. And you know and I have ah a king who I think is pretty together and integrated because I've spent a lot of time refining that.
00:50:33.35
fsb
that role and the strategies that my king brings. But yeah, my princess and my queen, my queen, she hardly ever has a microphone. I have a placeholder for her and I have this mature version of of a feminine member of my inner kingdom, but I don't know her very well. Like, yeah, it's it's it's new ground for me. And so recognizing that those are places that I can evolve into feels like my work to do her.
00:50:57.49
Raffaello Manacorda
It's the same for me, you know, i basically everything you said I could almost say the same for myself, like I have this inner, you know, like Yogini sort of like 20, 26, 27, you know, probably in their family.
00:51:07.45
fsb
Michael.
00:51:12.98
Raffaello Manacorda
that that it's beautiful she's beautiful but if we talk about mature, you know, family is definitely something that I have barely start started to experience and not at all landed in my psyche. So that's a fascinating journey.
00:51:28.89
fsb
What's our access point there? i mean how do How do we develop that? Is that spending time with those types of older women that are going to mature that part of ourselves? like What is your journey there? Because um I have it as a placeholder, but I haven't actually quite got the path to to maturing my feminine. Is it just a time thing? The more time I get to know Diana, my princess, that she eventually starts to grow with me, lagging behind by about 15 to 20 years? Or is it is there another way to to get there?
00:51:55.54
Raffaello Manacorda
Well, the good news, I would say a few things here. The good news is that these inner constructs, they age, you know, they mature, but they don't necessarily mature in chronological time at the same speed.
00:52:07.95
Raffaello Manacorda
So, you know, when I first met my inner feminine, I would say she was about 17, and three or four years later, she was 28.
00:52:08.70
fsb
Mm.
00:52:15.71
Raffaello Manacorda
So, you know, the the the maturation was was pretty...
00:52:16.24
fsb
Right. Okay.
00:52:19.13
Raffaello Manacorda
ah ah fast in a way. What I have found and you know no one knows for sure but this is my findings is that what really helps is yes to sit with these inner you know ah characters and to give them a name give them giving them a name is super helpful I'm so happy that you mentioned that your inner feminine has a name so that's wonderful but what I really found is that what really makes them grow east two is when we allow them to take control you said grab the microphone, to take control of our body and to and to make choices basically. you know Something as ordinary as what to eat
00:53:02.92
Raffaello Manacorda
might have a different outcome if my inner masculine or my inner feminine makes the choice and my inner feminine deciding for example for two days everything that we're doing might lead to two very interesting days you know that my inner masculine might even disapprove of so that you know there can be tensions there or whatever interplay but basically by making choices and getting a feedback from life
00:53:04.86
fsb
Hmm. Hmm. Interesting. Wow.
00:53:23.17
fsb
Interplay for sure. Yeah.
00:53:29.72
fsb
Hmm.
00:53:29.89
Raffaello Manacorda
they grow, right? they Just as we grew by making mistakes and and and getting it right and getting it wrong and sort of like letting life grow us and I think they need to do the same.
00:53:43.38
fsb
So good. Thank you. That's great advice. Anything you want to touch on on archetypes before I shift change lanes here? Is there anything we we didn't touch that you feel might be ah missing from this conversation if somebody hasn't journeyed through this before? I want to get to your work on this because I know you have a whole program and a course on that which we'll touch on at the end. But is there anything that you feel like would tie a bow on this?
00:54:05.35
Raffaello Manacorda
No, I think there's a lot more to say, but this was a pretty good bite for any audience. And yeah, i could I think we can leave it up there. And the curiosity around archetypes is is raising in general consciousness, which makes me super, super happy because I feel that by understanding archetypes, we can have a much deeper and richer experience of being human.
00:54:27.06
fsb
Yeah, beautiful. Thank you for doing this work. And yeah, just ah excited to explore it a little bit more. I want to ask you about tantric sex. This is a path that you have adopted as a I would guess as a practice, but also as as what you teach. Can you define what that is and how somebody might understand tantric sex and how it could support them maybe personally and the relationships that they're in?
00:54:51.44
Raffaello Manacorda
Sure. I think probably nowadays I would be tending to use more ah definitions like conscious sex or integrated sex, but Tantra was definitely for me the way into a different way of understanding sexuality. I use the word tantra and tantric with a bit more caution nowadays, because it's very specific to a certain tradition in a certain area of the world. And I think were you know it's important to not just throw it around too much. And I certainly have been guilty of that, particularly in the past. But that said, it's a really good um doorway
00:55:35.17
Raffaello Manacorda
to basically say something very powerful and very simple. If we start putting the same awareness on our sexuality that we do, let's say, on our spiritual development,
00:55:53.21
Raffaello Manacorda
then we will start to discover a million interesting things about our sexuality and some of them have been discovered long long long time ago and definitely the tantric tradition from India and Kashmir has done an astounding job of you know diving deep into the mysteries of sexuality and Some of those we might just discover by ourselves.
00:56:17.69
Raffaello Manacorda
But usually for men, I would say sort of like the the first big totem or portal that appears in front of us when we start
00:56:20.06
fsb
Mm hmm.
00:56:31.08
Raffaello Manacorda
really putting awareness on our sexual experience is diving deeper into the mystery of our orgasm and ejaculation processes, which for most men have come to be one and the same, first of all, orgasm and ejaculation, and also something that we have very little say about, you know or to use a word that I don't love, control, but let's say very little choice about.
00:56:40.76
fsb
Hmm.
00:57:00.11
fsb
Right.
00:57:00.30
Raffaello Manacorda
So most of us, you know, grow up in in ways that support us to feel that ejaculation and orgasm happen to us. You know, it's something that happens.
00:57:10.91
Raffaello Manacorda
We may know ways to get there. ah We ah most of the time ah leave them in a way that a bit provocative provocative provocatively, I could say, is somewhat similar to his knees.
00:57:24.97
Raffaello Manacorda
You know, it's just like, happens and then there is some afterglow pleasant afterglow and then done and so yeah you know it's kind of it's it's nice to sneeze isn't it and then after that we get a feeling of like oh that was nice and pretty much end of the story but through tantric conscious sex we get a chance to like that zoom in and unpack everything that leads up to orgasm and ejaculation
00:57:27.19
fsb
Right.
00:57:32.09
fsb
ah that' The sneezing energy. Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:40.60
fsb
Aha.
00:57:51.95
Raffaello Manacorda
everything that happens during it and and after and also what happens if we consciously choose not to go there you know like to take a different ah route so to speak where excitement, pleasure, mutual enjoyment are still there but they do not necessarily end with the sneeze you know for us men particularly
00:58:04.57
fsb
Mm hmm.
00:58:15.58
Raffaello Manacorda
and that opens a whole, ah you know, landscape of possibilities that are very interesting.
00:58:22.81
fsb
So let's let's do that. What are some of those possibilities or what what could that look like? I mean, for somebody who hasn't heard about this before, we've spoken about it a few times on the podcast, but you're saying a sexual encounter that perhaps doesn't include an ejaculation.
00:58:36.78
Raffaello Manacorda
Yeah, so what will happen then? I mean, A few things. First of all, there will be a certain amount of energy that... maybe we don't know what to do with, you know, like the feeling could literally be, oh my gosh, you know, I'm full of this energy, it's been great, what do I do with it? And this is where the way that I at least studied and practiced conscious sexuality was very intertwined with yogic practices to move that energy somewhere. You know, it's like having that amount of energy for lack of a better word and moving it somewhere
00:59:12.96
Raffaello Manacorda
Very relatively quickly leads to the discovery that we can use that energy for a million different things We can use it to clean the house, you know, it's kind of a bit of a meme You know the person that you know has had a sexual encounter didn't have an orgasm and now it's like frantically cleaning the house ah But there's also very creative and elevated Ways that we can use the energy nothing wrong with cleaning the house that's beautiful as well but like we could use it to to create poetry to sing to
00:59:29.17
fsb
ah
00:59:42.23
Raffaello Manacorda
to do something good with our bodies, like yoga or swimming or running in nature, we could use it to feel inspired about what we do.
00:59:47.56
fsb
Uh. Mm hmm.
00:59:53.81
Raffaello Manacorda
But it does take some managing. So the first thing that happens is we learn that that sneeze, that orgasmic ejaculatory reflex had the function of dispersing the energy that we had accumulated through the sexual encounter.
01:00:11.17
fsb
Yeah.
01:00:11.36
Raffaello Manacorda
and basically getting us back to floor zero which may be good in a sense but it's not the best thing to do if you're trying to climb the ladder or if you're trying to get somewhere so that's the first thing that happens and then further down the line you know there's also the the the doorway or the portal of separating orgasm and ejaculation and discovering that you can have one without the other that's a different story
01:00:40.03
fsb
Have you got a one or two tips for the separation of orgasm and ejaculation? I know there's a whole process of moving and breathing energy and I'm asking this as well for me because I haven't found that sweet spot despite a few years of practicing of how to actually separate those two. I've had like one or two full body orgasms that haven't included ejaculation and I'm practicing um ejaculatory choice, meaning I'm in process of like, you know, being in lovemaking and not climaxing where I ejaculate, but I don't find an easy path to feel safe enough to war edge towards orgasm without ejaculating at the same time. like How does that look? I mean, what is the actual practice there? I mean, I know it's years of study, perhaps, but I'd love to, yeah, ask this question for myself.
01:01:26.11
Raffaello Manacorda
Yeah, for sure. In my experience and the experience of the people that I have in contact with that have gone down this path, the best way to find orgasm without ejaculation is to forget about it.
01:01:39.62
Raffaello Manacorda
You know, like you continue doing what you're doing, you continue sort of like being conscious of your energy, sexual arousal levels and choosing not to ejaculate.
01:01:50.07
fsb
Yes.
01:01:51.00
Raffaello Manacorda
And that's it. And then one day, orgasm without ejaculation happens it's not something that we can really like you know make happen it just happens and this is also
01:01:57.86
fsb
That's sort of what happened here.
01:02:05.11
Raffaello Manacorda
um you know in know in a sense, why this form of orgasm is, in a sense, a more feminine form of orgasm. It's an orgasm that finds you, it's a bit like falling asleep. You know you don't you don't make it happen, you just relax and breathe and continue doing what you're doing until it happens.
01:02:22.38
fsb
Mm.
01:02:22.75
Raffaello Manacorda
And and so I know that that can be frustrating because there's no guarantee, there's no no one can say it will happen in a month, it will happen in six months, it will happen in nine months. but I would vouch for the fact that it happens and once it happens it may feel just like a miracle but actually what happened is that the body learned something new the body and the brain they learned something new so once it happens the first time I would argue that it's much easier that will happen again because the body learned something that it didn't know but my advice would be to
01:02:58.91
Raffaello Manacorda
Great, continue doing what you're doing. you know That's already a lot of you know awareness and a lot of love actually put into lovemaking by looking at it and and breathing into it and slowing down when needed and and you know letting go of the patterns of performance and whatever. So that's already incredibly deep and beautiful work.
01:03:22.48
Raffaello Manacorda
And the hard thing there is for a few months, I would say at least six months, maybe nine, maybe 12 to forget about orgasm, like to not even try to look for it and just sort of like park it away, but be open. And then my experience is that it happens by itself.
01:03:41.95
fsb
So good. So I want to give somebody who's listening to this who doesn't even know what the fuck we would even explore this with, maybe talk about some of the levels. So, you know, I heard you say six months of, of no seeking an orgasm. How does that mean? You still make love to your partner or to whoever you're connecting with, and you choose to consciously not have an orgasm because for most of us, we've been trained that orgasm and ejaculation are the same, meaning every time our orgasm are also ejaculate. So they are going to this place of riding different levels of pleasure as they're in their love making and then stopping before they get to, let's say,
01:04:17.92
fsb
a point of ejaculation and what could a tool be that somebody could actually use if they were listening to this and wanted to yeah at least start experimenting with this.
01:04:26.83
Raffaello Manacorda
So the tools for that would be slowing down, stop, by the way, you can also do this with yourself. It doesn't require a partner, but definitely, you know, doing it with a partner is beautiful and creates a different level of opportunity and challenge. Slowing down, breathing fully and slowly. ah Some awareness techniques can help. So like expanding their work because but the the more we get closer to orgasm and ejaculation,
01:04:56.66
Raffaello Manacorda
the more our awareness tends to condense into the genitals. It's like, you know, before we were aware of any sensations and colors and, you know, our breath, our bow, our fingers, but then it tends to like focus, you know, right before the orgasm. So if we willingly keep the awareness spread,
01:05:16.83
Raffaello Manacorda
that really helps of course a supportive partner also helps someone that is going to be supportive of us stopping slowing down saying hey i need a little break here uh certain yoga techniques are really really helpful but it's very difficult for me to speak about them because they would require like a training like but those resources exist also in the world
01:05:36.82
fsb
r
01:05:40.58
Raffaello Manacorda
and then basically you know training our body to separate these two phenomena that have been bundled into a reflex. One is the the buts say the accumulation of pleasure and arousal, the building up of pleasure and arousal up to a certain point.
01:06:00.74
fsb
Red. Mhm.
01:06:05.55
Raffaello Manacorda
And the other one is the very physiological ah reflex of ejaculation. So we need to be able to stay in one without going into the other for some time.
01:06:16.11
Raffaello Manacorda
I would say for at least ah least six months. It doesn't mean that if you happen to ejaculate within those six months, everything is lost. you know but the intention needs to be there for a sufficient amount of time and then a few things will start to happen by themselves.
01:06:30.71
fsb
m Yeah, another thing that I think I learned probably through the same school that you work at is this level of recognizing where you go up to like a level 10 where 10 would be an ejaculation, but recognizing that for many of us those last like seven to 10, that like level of intensity can happen quite quickly. And so recognizing that you're actually tracking in yourself how close you are to the edge where the edge is a 10, and even perhaps communicating that with your partner has been supportive for me. So it's like, okay, I'm currently at a five, I feel good to keep flowing. Okay, I'm getting close to a six or a seven, and then actually coming back and pulling back from there because it does tend to be a pretty slippery slope
01:07:09.74
fsb
from 7 over to 10.
01:07:11.89
Raffaello Manacorda
Absolutely. that's what That's what's commonly called the point of no return, which is not the 10, but as you say, for most people it will be a 7.
01:07:15.40
fsb
Mm-hmm.
01:07:21.03
Raffaello Manacorda
It means that after after we reach that level of excitement and arousal, we are not really able to backtrack or to do anything, and 7 to 10 is just like...
01:07:31.14
fsb
Mm.
01:07:35.30
fsb
What do you think this ah bringing awareness and presence to sexuality means for men in terms of like awakening or emotions of guilt and and perhaps shame around sexuality? Do you think there's a link there between bringing awareness back into this?
01:07:53.44
Raffaello Manacorda
I would say so. I mean, generally speaking, whenever we bring awareness to things that have been done for ages by ourselves and also by others that are connected to us through lineage or archetypal connections. and So things that have been done for a long time without awareness in a more automatic you know way, like imagine how much unconscious sex happens and has happened in the eons of time. So whenever we bring awareness to that, one of the side phenomenon is that we will potentially find levels and layers of pain, guilt, shame that were just suppressed.
01:08:41.39
Raffaello Manacorda
So at times, it might feel like we're going backwards. you know It's like, wait a minute. It was so easy before. you know i just you know I just had an urge. The other person had the same urge.
01:08:51.88
Raffaello Manacorda
We just did it. I scratched their back. They scratched my back, so to speak. And we were all a little bit happier after.
01:08:56.17
fsb
yeah
01:08:58.60
Raffaello Manacorda
And now it feels so complicated. you know like And I can feel the shame and maybe today you know I'm not so connected to my sexual center so I don't know if I want to do it like it could feel more complicated but it's also so much more real and at the end of the day the reason why we're even talking about this is because One way or another, most people's sexual life doesn't feel great to begin with. you know So we're putting awareness on it because it doesn't work great already. At least that was my story. you know I came to Tantra because my sexual life wasn't great. And I was a reasonably you know attractive guy that had you know some opportunities to interact with girls that he liked. But once we got to intimacy, I was in complete confusion. you know Things weren't.
01:09:46.66
Raffaello Manacorda
feeling settled or good or or rewarding to me. So remembering that the the pain of unconsciousness you know is a good body leader for getting into awareness.
01:09:56.33
fsb
Yeah.
01:09:59.38
Raffaello Manacorda
Because sometimes when you get into awareness, same with nutrition, you know if you start bringing awareness to what you eat, you might for a while feel like, oh my gosh, this has gotten so complicated. I feel ashamed about food that I didn't know I had.
01:10:10.93
fsb
Hmm.
01:10:11.12
Raffaello Manacorda
whatever, but it's still a good path to be on, you know, compared to the unconsciousness of what we do.
01:10:13.49
fsb
Hmm.
01:10:18.38
fsb
Yeah, and and there's something else there as well. You know, for me, a lot of my life, sexuality was like a ah break from myself, the chance for me to escape, you know, or feel good about something, you know, pretty much and unconscious, often a lot of alcohol involved or something like that. So not super present. But I was completely unaware that sexuality could be used for healing for manifestation for ritual for, you know, creating more connection, it was really just used for one particular thing, as you said, and so yeah, the journey of bringing some awareness back has been so rich for me.
01:10:48.47
Raffaello Manacorda
Yeah, same likewise. And then, you know, like, I think I also want to be clear also with your audience that it's not like I have arrived at any level of perfection, you know, or mastery with that.
01:10:59.73
Raffaello Manacorda
Actually, like probably most human beings, I also go in spirals, you know, so there's times where I feel myself reverting to an old self, which is unconscious about things I do, unconscious about sexuality, and conscious about how I eat, and and then
01:11:09.26
fsb
I know.
01:11:14.64
Raffaello Manacorda
you know, what I'm so glad about is that by having touched some more levels of awareness, at least I have an anchor. I know where I can anchor myself to. And, you know, this this many ways this path has been described by many people as a spiraling path, you know, like we revisit, as you were saying, like parts that are maybe not even didn't even have the chance to ah benefit from the progress that we have done because the progress is not you it doesn't affect the whole of us in the same way. But in this spiraling we are moving somewhere and there's a choice there, you know, to move towards more awareness and more
01:11:55.08
Raffaello Manacorda
capacity to feel and see and be with what I am or to move more into oblivion and numbing and and know forgetting and I think that's a choice that we can make up each and every day and it's a very impactful choice.
01:12:05.74
fsb
Hmm. So good. I'd like to ask you a personal question which you may or may not answer. um What is your ejaculation frequency at the moment?
01:12:16.82
fsb
Do you ever ejaculate? so And if so, how often? I know you've been on this path for a while.
01:12:20.30
Raffaello Manacorda
No, that's a great question. Yeah, very happy to answer it. so Nowadays I would say my ejaculation f frequency is roughly once per month.
01:12:29.94
fsb
OK.
01:12:30.62
Raffaello Manacorda
ah This is an average note because one of the things that happened to me, so before I came into ISTA, I was one of the people with a spreadsheet.
01:12:41.16
Raffaello Manacorda
you know I had a spreadsheet, still have it somewhere, where I would note each and every time I ejaculated and my goal was for that to be no more than twice per year. So once every six months and I kept religious, like pretty you know religiously to that.
01:12:56.53
fsb
Mm hmm.
01:12:57.00
Raffaello Manacorda
However, when I came to ISTA, One of the things that I went through was realizing that all of this beautiful work I had done towards controlling my ejaculation, having my spreadsheet, being super on top of my game sexually, that was wonderful, but it had empowered my masculine side so much that my feminine side was completely you know nowhere work to be seen. And so when I came into ISTA, I received some good reflections, part particularly from female teachers that I respected, um that were inviting me to let go of some of that control, like not completely, but to find some equilibrium.
01:13:42.97
fsb
Cool.
01:13:43.45
Raffaello Manacorda
and So paradoxically, after entering into ISTA, I started experimenting with releasing that control a minute and seeing how that went. So, you know, within those two parameters, I'm still finding what the right balance for me is, but it's certainly not the level of ah scars or you know sparse ejaculation that I used to have when I was very steeped into this learning path.
01:14:14.65
Raffaello Manacorda
I'm still happy that I did it, though, that I had that discipline and that you know extremism, so to speak, because it allowed me to break very, very ah old and conditioning patterns that I had ah seen also also around masturbation itself.
01:14:19.89
fsb
Yeah.
01:14:24.55
fsb
Mm.
01:14:29.29
Raffaello Manacorda
self-touch as well.
01:14:30.54
fsb
Mm, beautiful. um When you are love making at the moment now, how often do you have an orgasm that's not connected to ejaculation?
01:14:40.70
fsb
Is it every time? I know you said it's something that you just wait for and develop. Was it like for you having been on this path for a while? Is it something that happens most times you make love or every once in a while? Like what is, what is that frequency for you?
01:14:51.29
Raffaello Manacorda
That's a very good question. It's certainly not every time. This I can you know tell you for sure.
01:14:56.00
fsb
Uh-huh. Okay.
01:14:59.12
Raffaello Manacorda
It's probably somewhat less than half of the times if I had to really give a rough estimate. So it's still, yeah, I don't have a spreadsheet for that, but it's still a rare enough phenomenon that I would say, wow, amazing, you know, and mention it to my partner.
01:15:07.82
fsb
No spreadsheets.
01:15:18.35
Raffaello Manacorda
Also, by the way, I didn't say this, but the wonderful thing about orgasms without ejaculation is that there's no reason why you should have only one of them, you know, like they, when they, they don't always happen, at least to me,
01:15:31.06
fsb
threat Yeah.
01:15:32.10
Raffaello Manacorda
But when they happen, sometimes they happen in chain, you know like three or four or five of them easily.
01:15:34.04
fsb
Hmm.
01:15:40.45
Raffaello Manacorda
So it will be like a very mysterious phenomenon that doesn't always happen, but it happens with a certain frequency.
01:15:40.58
fsb
Yeah, cool.
01:15:47.18
Raffaello Manacorda
So it's not like a one in a in a million. It might be maybe 40% of the time, something like that.
01:15:52.85
fsb
Cool. Thank you for sharing that, that's great. Okay, a couple of questions on leadership before I let you get back to your evening in ah in Spain, in Barcelona.
01:15:59.35
Raffaello Manacorda
Sure.
01:16:02.29
fsb
What, um I heard you on the Esther podcast talking about shamanic leadership. What does that mean to you and what is, ah what's the importance of this as a theme?
01:16:13.44
Raffaello Manacorda
So that would make for a very long answer, but let's see how I can condense that. um And maybe, you know, whoever in your audience is really interested today, they could go check out that podcast as well.
01:16:23.56
fsb
I'll definitely link it in the show notes for sure, it was so good, yeah.
01:16:24.40
Raffaello Manacorda
We'll link it. So I think really at the bottom of this is a reflection on power that I, as many other people have been reflecting on for a long time.
01:16:37.47
Raffaello Manacorda
So what does it mean to be in leadership while ah inquiring around power in a shamanic way and in a shamanic way basically means in a way that takes into account not just the mind but also the body, the emotions, the factors that are beyond a simple analytical rational understanding of power that we already have in our culture.
01:17:07.21
Raffaello Manacorda
So when we approach power from a shamanic standpoint, for instance, one of the things that we notice, surprise, surprise, is that there is a polarity in power. Just as there is a polarity like masculine and feminine in in in sex, in sexuality, there is a polarity in power. Whether you want to call it top and bottom or lead and follow, you know there's a few ways that we can call it.
01:17:32.21
Raffaello Manacorda
And so, for example, one of the ways I would say shamanic leadership is different from other forms of understanding of power and leadership is that same as we're saying, okay, you know, you want to you want to become more shamanically aware.
01:17:48.72
Raffaello Manacorda
then you need to get in touch with your masculine and your feminine, regardless of your gender and biological sex and sexual orientation. Similarly, if you want to explore shamanic leadership, you need to get in touch with your both of your polarities around power. In other ways, it's not just about becoming a good leader, it's also about becoming a great follower. And how can we do that?
01:18:14.94
Raffaello Manacorda
you know how can we explore both of those polarities and make space for both and get the juice and the magic of both and I find that oftentimes you know in at least ah personal development there is a lot of focus on how to be a leader like everyone wants to be a leader But truthfully, if you cast yourself in the role of a leader for too long, it's similar to casting oneself in the role of the masculine for too long. Something will crack, something will give, you know, something will feel incomplete. And again, something will need to be repressed and suppressed for that to happen. So that's one example.
01:18:52.85
fsb
So what what what could that look like practically? So someone's leading an organization, how do you step into the follower role? Does that need to happen outside of the organization or how do you connect to those other polarities?
01:19:04.50
Raffaello Manacorda
Unfortunately, many organizations would frown upon, you know, ah let's say a CEO that says, you know what, everybody, today I'm just going to be, you know, a simple employee at the office.
01:19:15.88
Raffaello Manacorda
How about that? Like, you know, the organizational structure wouldn't allow for that necessarily.
01:19:21.10
fsb
Right.
01:19:21.24
Raffaello Manacorda
And that's a tragedy. That's very sad, you know, because in shamanic societies, there were these mechanisms where a leader would become a follower occasionally or periodically.
01:19:32.50
Raffaello Manacorda
But ah if you cannot do that at work then maybe you know you need to like if you're in a leadership position then a good thing to do would be to go out and find a class where you could be a student like an excited and um present student already that reverses the polarity and that's really good. For myself you know I'll tell you an anecdote maybe you know about it if you don't but um but when in June, like ah five months ago, I went ah to an ISTA training as a participant, you know, so that was a way for me to be in the other polarity and really fully go in as a participant and feel how that feels like.
01:20:08.07
fsb
Ah.
01:20:15.72
fsb
Interesting.
01:20:17.80
Raffaello Manacorda
and Luckily enough, ISTA doesn't frown upon something like that, you know, it actually maybe even encourages it, but other organizations might be different.
01:20:17.91
fsb
Hmm.
01:20:20.81
fsb
Hmm.
01:20:28.87
fsb
I think specifically with the idea of power and and leadership being such a projection point for power in in many ways, maybe even like a BDSM container to go into like a submissive polarity would be a good space for ah for a leader to be in a submissive of like an acceptance place or a place of sitting in a different polarity to where they're being the dominant person having to make all the decisions leading that type of stuff.
01:20:52.12
Raffaello Manacorda
And you know what? That's such a classic. thing you know the CEO that goes to a professional Dom and then gets to be a submissive person.
01:20:59.99
fsb
Right
01:21:02.08
Raffaello Manacorda
The only issue with that, I would say, is that it's still really good for the individual, but it's sad and painful if the individual cannot integrate that ah experience in the story, in the narrative they tell about themselves to the outer world.
01:21:19.78
Raffaello Manacorda
In other words, if this has to be done in secret, you know, it's It's sad. It's just so much more healthy and useful for the individual and the community.
01:21:31.78
Raffaello Manacorda
If that CEO could say, good morning everybody to the board meeting. you know I feel so good today and especially because yesterday I went and got dominated by a really good Dom.
01:21:41.13
fsb
Yes, yes.
01:21:41.91
Raffaello Manacorda
By the way, that's their phone number. If you also want to do it, I feel so relaxed.
01:21:46.62
fsb
Yes, it's not in the shadow.
01:21:46.77
Raffaello Manacorda
you know my anus is so relaxed yeah you know but who can actually do that you know what corporation would allow them to do that so that's that's sad
01:21:48.87
fsb
Yeah.
01:21:57.81
fsb
there's ah There's a concept of leadership that I've been thinking about over the last few months and years, which is like, how do we, the concept I've been thinking of is the integrated leader, which is recognizing that Anybody who comes to a leadership position who doesn't put front and center the fact that they have wounds and shadows is sort of a red flag. And I wanted if you have any suggestions or thoughts around how to support leaders with like integrating shadows or bringing shining lights on the parts of themselves that they don't see, because I think specifically in business, there's this real difficult opportunity where we tend to have a, like a separation in, in
01:22:38.58
fsb
in power as a function of the fact that the CEO got the corner office and he pays my salary. It's quite hard to shine a light on that person's shadows and point that out. Have you given much thought to this and how it plays out and you know integrating the parts of ourselves? I know we spoke a lot about this through the archetypes, but any any thoughts that you've had around this this role of leadership and integrating shadow work into into leadership?
01:23:00.50
Raffaello Manacorda
Yeah, given there's a lot of thought and still I still am, you know, it's unfortunate because it's it's a catch-22. Like, for me, as a leader in ISTA is relatively, I got it easy because for me to go front of the line and speak about my shadows and about my wounds is going to be celebrated, right? so But for a CEO of a mainstream corporation,
01:23:33.14
Raffaello Manacorda
asking them to do that almost amounts to asking them to lose their job. So it's a catch-22 that humanity has found themselves many times over into.
01:23:46.30
Raffaello Manacorda
It requires a critical mass and some brave pioneers to do that before it becomes acceptable. But there are precedents. I would argue, I may be wrong, but I would argue that let's say in the 50s, if the CEO of the company went to the board meeting and said, oh, good morning, everybody. I'm just coming out of yoga. you know I just did yoga. Let's start the meeting.
01:24:13.23
Raffaello Manacorda
probably people would go like, okay, he's gone insane or she, you know? like Like, what is this weird oriental thing?
01:24:17.29
fsb
Yes.
01:24:20.78
Raffaello Manacorda
Like, that that's not good.
01:24:22.43
fsb
Yes.
01:24:23.19
Raffaello Manacorda
Today, I would probably think that even if you go to like exomobile or something, you know, like some totally sort of like staple, you know, yeah, and the CEO says that they do yoga, everyone will clap their hands and go like, fantastic.
01:24:41.47
Raffaello Manacorda
How do we get from A to B? How do we get from there to here? Probably by a few daring CEOs going, you know, fuck it. I don't care if they think it's not a good idea. I'm going to do yoga and I'm going to say to the whole world. You know, and and similarly with people coming out about being gay, you know, it's it's it's abnormal until it's not.
01:25:03.82
Raffaello Manacorda
and And how to get there is by continuing to ah push the envelope. So for me, really what you're talking about is the next frontier for both both in business and in politics.
01:25:12.73
fsb
Mm.
01:25:17.21
Raffaello Manacorda
Because just imagine what would it be like if any major candidate to any presidential election or the leader of a political party, went out up in front and said, hello, everybody, this is my plan, you know, this is my policy view, and these are my shadows or some of my shadows and wounds that I have been made aware of.
01:25:39.72
Raffaello Manacorda
We're not there by any stretch of the imagination.
01:25:42.27
fsb
and and
01:25:42.77
Raffaello Manacorda
But could we be there in 50 years? I think so. It's possible. But it takes bravery and courage to to be the first, you know, that that reveals their vulnerability when vulnerability and power are not yet part of, that connection is not yet understood by mainstream consciousness at all.
01:26:02.78
fsb
And there's so much growth there, you know, like the organization that really trusts the CEO or the the country that trusts as politician that really brings us the full version of himself and says, yes, I have shadows and I'd love you to point out anything else that I'm not seeing. Like, it seems so obvious in some ways, it's like that's that's got to be the way to build trust. And it's in a world where trust is fucking hard to come by in in but very big businesses, like it seems like the way to do it are just, like you said, maybe just breaking an old paradigm.
01:26:34.26
Raffaello Manacorda
Yeah, it takes a critical mass, I would argue. And at the same time, there's probably something like the 100-month key effect in this. you know When enough people have done it, it will feel just absolutely normal. you know Just as nowadays, at least in some countries, it wouldn't be ah Cataclysmic revelation is some major politician came out about being gay or about being you know ah Single like there was a time when even the fact of being single or divorced Would have been a problem for someone in a position of power and and so things are moving but we're not quite there yet.
01:27:07.58
fsb
Yeah.
01:27:10.50
Raffaello Manacorda
I would say
01:27:12.41
fsb
Bro, thank you so much for taking the time to drop in and for yeah sharing the wisdom that you that you carry on all of these topics. I think they've been super valuable for me. And yeah, for those listening to this, I'd love to share what are you working on at the moment that you want to share with the world? I know you've got some archetype work, maybe give us a little overview of that and how people can connect with you.
01:27:33.00
Raffaello Manacorda
Yeah, absolutely. So first of all, yes, as you know, I'm i'm involved with ISTA, so anyone who is interested in that can go to ISTA's website, will put the link and find me if they're feeling you know the the the inspiration or the motivation to do one of the ISTA trainings with me. And then aside from that, I'm very, very passionate about archetypes work, particularly the connection and nexus between archetypes and shamanism and archetypes and that psychology.
01:28:02.60
Raffaello Manacorda
And I love bringing this work to everybody, but specifically also to anyone who's in a position of like leading groups or being a therapist or a facilitator of any kind.
01:28:11.10
fsb
Mm.
01:28:11.34
Raffaello Manacorda
So the first thing that I am offering and has had c incredible success so far is a masterclass on archetypes. This is a two and a half hour intensive online container.
01:28:25.15
Raffaello Manacorda
You know, it's like a basically pressure cooker about archetypes, learn a lot, ask a lot, get exposed to a lot of ah good quality information and up a level you're game with archetypes.
01:28:37.92
Raffaello Manacorda
I'm going to hold one exactly in almost a month from now on November 21st. So we'll put the link on that.
01:28:44.43
fsb
Awesome.
01:28:44.73
Raffaello Manacorda
And then some more other offerings and archetypes are cooking and I'm going to be sure to share them with you when they're when they're ready to be shared. Other than that, there's also my personal website. Your audience is very welcome to go there. Some good content on some articles on sexuality there, what we spoke about, some articles on power, some academic writing for those of the listeners who kind of like that language. So yeah, everyone is welcome to connect to my portal and there's a lot to read there and some ways to interact with me.
01:29:15.52
fsb
Beautiful. and Anything you want to share in closing or something that you wish that we'd maybe covered here that you didn't get a chance to to dive into? maybe
01:29:27.15
Raffaello Manacorda
I think I just want to be grateful to you, Garrett, because this is it's been a while since I had the opportunity to connect specifically with male audience. I mean, I am aware that there may be also women amongst your followers and audience, but mainly, so it just feels very sweet.
01:29:35.78
fsb
For sure.
01:29:43.11
Raffaello Manacorda
you know but 10, 12 years ago, I started doing very, very deep men's work. And it's bringing it's brought me so much. And it's been such a cornerstone of my development. And so just looking back to that, and I can visualize you know almost behind you all the curious and interested and passionate men and women that are interested in men's work as well as male archetypes. And I feel it's so important. so maybe the last parting words for me, you know, in in concluding this is like, thank you for being men that are willing to examine yourself and to to study yourself and to become aware because men, masculinity, women, femininity, archetypes, all of this is part of the human experience and I'm so glad that people are ah coming with curiosity and love to this teaching, so thank you for doing that.
01:30:38.62
fsb
Thank you, bro. Yeah, I really appreciate you and thank you for the work you're putting into the world and for the flavor that you bring both both online and to conversations like this, but also into the Ister containers. You have to do such an important journey for me. Having been inside the men's circle that you held inside my first Ister training was, yeah, like ah an important point of putting me onto the path that I want now. So I just want to honor you and say thank you for that, brother.
01:31:02.60
Raffaello Manacorda
Thank you. Thank you. Likewise.
01:31:05.06
fsb
Till next time, brother, thanks for being on the show.
01:31:07.35
Raffaello Manacorda
Thank you.
01:31:08.20
fsb
Ciao.
01:31:09.19
Raffaello Manacorda
Ciao.
