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Matt Dahse
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Gareth Pickering
If you feel like you've been putting everything into your relationship, you feel like you are doing everything that you can, but things keep feel like they're exploding. I'm going to start mine again.
00:19.42
Gareth Pickering
If you feel like you're putting everything into your relationship and it doesn't matter how hard you try, things keep exploding and you starting to feel resentful and unappreciated. Today's episode is going to be for you.
00:32.44
Matt Dahse
Welcome to the Father's Sons Brothers podcast, everybody. This is Matt coming to you from Spain. And in today's episode, we're going to touch on the one thing that you can change in the way that you relate that's going to change your entire relationship pattern. It's the most important piece.
00:46.87
Matt Dahse
And that's what we're going to be diving into today.
00:50.96
Gareth Pickering
What's up, bro? Good to see you. Stoked to be back on the podcast with you and really jazzed to be diving into today's topic. And this comes off the back of us completing the second version of something that we call the Legendary Lover Method. It's our flagship men's relationship and sexual mastery program, which we just wrapped up last week. And We had such amazing results and such powerful transformations from the brothers that were part of it that we are taking some of the highlights from that and we're going to be creating a series of podcast episodes and some supplementary training that is going to support listeners of the show to help them level up their relationships. And today we're going to be talking about boundaries.
01:31.17
Gareth Pickering
When did you first learn about boundaries and relationships, Bray?
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Matt Dahse
I learned about it at ISPA. It was really the first time that word came into my space. And I remember thinking it was such a powerful thing. Like, I mean, obviously boundaries are a part of the natural way that we relate, but I didn't have a word for it.
01:49.09
Matt Dahse
And since then, it was that five years ago, I see it coming more into the form. Like I think people are becoming more aware that what it is to set a boundary, what it is to really ah protect yourself from the world around you, whether it's the way that we relate or, you know, physical boundaries.
02:07.79
Matt Dahse
But yeah, it's been an evolution. How about you? When did it come to your space?
02:13.85
Gareth Pickering
like you bro Probably not soon enough. It is such an important part of relating and we are get into that today in the episode. But it is like there is a part of me that feels a little disappointed that we did not have this as a theme or at least terminology to be able to understand the importance of boundaries.
02:23.95
Matt Dahse
So, yeah.
02:29.49
Gareth Pickering
To be able to protect what it is that is important to us. Like you said it could be a physical boundary but I think there is also an important place in our relationships where boundaries are really, really important to be able to understand what it is that I hold sacred in relationship and certain parts of what it is that are not going to be acceptable for me in my relationships.
02:46.51
Gareth Pickering
And so, yeah, stoked to be diving into boundaries today.
02:48.54
Matt Dahse
yeah
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Gareth Pickering
I'm just going to reset my camera here, which took a little dive. There we go.
02:59.69
Gareth Pickering
So, yeah, I think the first the first element of boundary setting is... understanding what the importance of a boundary is and why we would even want to set boundaries. And I don't know how you've navigated this in in your relationships. Have you had conversations around this specifically? How has it played out in your relationship?
03:19.37
Matt Dahse
Well, there's, there's desires, needs and boundaries. i mean, those are the three kind of key pieces that I, that I, I Tana and I use and and are relating and the boundaries is always the hardest piece. Like I can find when I'm frustrated,
03:30.36
Matt Dahse
when when there's something that, you know, i'm I'm upset and she's not, or I'm upset at something she did, it's often a boundary that I missed that i just I just didn't hold.
03:37.08
Gareth Pickering
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
03:40.12
Matt Dahse
Like sometimes around work, if I'll have like a meeting and it's really important meeting, and if I don't communicate that to her, I'll be stressed all day. And it's because i haven't properly blocked that time for me to drop into that space.
03:55.48
Matt Dahse
And if I know that that time is being held, that's That's the protection I need to to go through my day not stressed about what's coming up. And if I fail to do that, then I'll be unhealthily like trying to manage the boundary by demonstrating that I'm stressed out so that she will somehow understand that I need more space rather than me just saying, hey, I i need i need this.
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Gareth Pickering
Mm-hmm.
04:22.33
Matt Dahse
And then then there there's the blurriness there of what's a need and what's a boundary. And yeah, I can see that that my current state of it, I'm not crystal clear on on what each one is.
04:36.62
Matt Dahse
And like the boundary one's so hard to define for me.
04:40.92
Gareth Pickering
Sweet. I love this because I think it ah think it this there's three there's three things that I think I'd like to black flow with in terms of setting boundaries.
04:41.76
Matt Dahse
don't know. Yeah. Yeah.
04:49.42
Gareth Pickering
But I think what I want to touch on is, first of all, if we don't know what boundaries are or we haven't been setting them super well, we tend to have this ability to want to
04:54.14
Matt Dahse
That's the way to do it.
05:00.52
Gareth Pickering
make our relationship flourish by always being in service. So as long as I am always in the place of doing or supporting my partner or showing up consistently or not saying things that are gonna upset the apple cart or trigger the other person, then that's the way to be in relationship.
05:17.75
Gareth Pickering
And that can be a strategy, but I think what inherently comes for like that element of relating, which sometimes can be like the nice guy or the people pleaser, is that the idea of setting a boundary you think is going to potentially upset your partner so you'd rather not say it and then it sometimes gets messy afterwards is that resonate with what you with what you're talking to
05:39.81
Matt Dahse
Yeah.
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Matt Dahse
Yeah.
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Gareth Pickering
let me share the three steps i'll share the three steps and let me and let me know what you think from here so the first step of of setting a boundary i think is
05:49.07
Matt Dahse
Go ahead.
05:56.83
Gareth Pickering
knowing what's important, like what is it that you're actually protecting. So in your example there, it's like, okay, I'm setting this boundary for an hour long work meeting.
06:04.23
Matt Dahse
Yeah. Yeah.
06:05.92
Gareth Pickering
So knowing what that is, is the first piece of the boundary.
06:06.86
Matt Dahse
Yeah.
06:08.12
Gareth Pickering
So knowing what that particular thing is. So clearly defining what that is, I need an hour for a meeting and it's 3 p.m. this afternoon. That's the first step. The second step is I think articulating why this is important.
06:21.71
Gareth Pickering
Why is this boundary important to you? I need to do this so that I can do work, so that I can move ahead with creating finances for our family. a boundary could also be protecting your morning routine and that why might be to show up fully or to move your body so that you're the best possible version of a dad that you can be.
06:34.17
Matt Dahse
Wow.
06:38.46
Gareth Pickering
So knowing what you want, knowing the piece, articulating the why, and then communicating it clearly to the person that's involved. I think those are the three steps that are required in order to be able to set it up well in a relationship.
06:55.05
Matt Dahse
You said something there that i really want to highlight. i'm I'm good at identifying my needs, like my need for a morning routine. I need to get up an hour early.
07:01.94
Gareth Pickering
Yes.
07:02.50
Matt Dahse
I need to do my breath work. and I need to stretch. I need to see the sunrise. These are things that allow me to show up full power to my day. I can identify that I need that to be the best version of myself. The boundary, as you said, is protecting that time.
07:13.27
Gareth Pickering
Mm-hmm.
07:16.92
Matt Dahse
Like expressing the need isn't enough.
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Gareth Pickering
Yes. Mm-hmm.
07:18.52
Matt Dahse
And sometimes I can express the need, but You know, if if it's not enforced through a boundary, I guess, is that is that the way to put it? Then it doesn't get met.
07:30.82
Matt Dahse
And so our i can see in this example that I fall short ah because all I'll do is identify the need, but I won't protect it with a boundary by saying, you know, Nilo wakes up a half hour before he's supposed to.
07:47.03
Matt Dahse
Do I cut short my morning routine to take him? No, I've set a boundary through conversation.
07:50.15
Gareth Pickering
Mm-hmm.
07:52.72
Matt Dahse
knowing that I time has got them up until 830. And I have that, that hour to myself, no matter what. And, and having that communicated in the relationship so that we're both on board with what that means so that I'm not in a meditation being stressed out, that I'm, I'm not showing up that I'm not being the nice guy that I'm not, you know, what was the word you used? Yeah.
08:18.87
Matt Dahse
This just, being everything Being everything to everyone, right? Like I want to show up full power to my wife. I don't want her to have a ah shit morning because of of of of that. and
08:32.84
Matt Dahse
having the communication so that I know that that space is being held so that I can ground myself in the boundary that's been carved like it's a bunker. you know It's like I'm super protected in this space to just be me.
08:44.87
Matt Dahse
That's a healthy boundary if it's done in the right way.
08:47.88
Gareth Pickering
yes and i think the piece that you that you touched on there that may or may not be super clear is
08:55.44
Gareth Pickering
communicating your why, like knowing what it is, speaking into the boundary, but also articulating what the why is, what's the reason that you need your morning routine, it's like, hey, I can, I can take my son from 830.
09:07.37
Gareth Pickering
But it's important to me that I get this first hour to be able to make sure that I've done my morning practice, e etc, et etc.
09:08.87
Matt Dahse
Mm-hmm.
09:13.95
Gareth Pickering
Knowing that underneath that boundary is a strong why that actually supports you. And then in turn, the whole family as a whole, Like when your partner feels that why and you're on the same page with it, then the boundary seems super clear as to why that needs to be protected for you.
09:30.83
Matt Dahse
Yeah, and it allows that guilt to melt away from me. You know, I was raised in a Catholic household where we got kind of like guilted into into doing things as sort of like this generational disciplinary action handed down.
09:41.50
Gareth Pickering
Mm-hmm.
09:43.13
Matt Dahse
And like if I'm doing something for myself, I'll feel guilty. But if I communicate the why and I am met by ton of, you know, in understanding why I'm asking for this, that melts away because I have that recognition, that validation, that understanding.
09:56.61
Gareth Pickering
Yes.
10:01.36
Matt Dahse
Yeah, important piece.
10:04.50
Gareth Pickering
That's that piece that you're touching on there. I have something so similar as well. Like when When we were raised, we were in this place where you know being helpful was definitely a behavior that was rewarded.
10:18.38
Matt Dahse
Yeah.
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Gareth Pickering
Meaning, you know when there was something to be done around the house, I would shine up, like I would you know help with dishes.
10:22.69
Matt Dahse
yeah
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Gareth Pickering
If someone was picking up plates or something, like that was the moment to stand up and move and do something. What came from that was like this uncomfortable feeling when I was on the couch relaxing and somebody was doing something, especially my mother.
10:32.75
Matt Dahse
I always had the sense that I could just be absolutely helpful.
10:39.85
Gareth Pickering
i always had the sense that I needed to be up and be helpful.
10:42.31
Matt Dahse
I think that, I believe that probably comes to what I think I heard you say.
10:42.21
Gareth Pickering
And I think that underneath that for me comes to what I think I heard you say, which is like, and I noticed I have this in my relationship as well. I sometimes feel like I can't relax. I feel like I always need to be there to put my hand in and help, you know, pick up something or do something or do or something like that, which is, yeah, it's not always healthy.
11:00.30
Gareth Pickering
You can help for sure. and there's ah And there's a desire to help. But I think that place, which I heard you say, like, if you're sitting in meditation and you know this is your time and you can hear Nilo is awake and stuff's happening in the house, it can pull you completely out because you'd feel like you have that pattern runs again, that you can't actually be where you're supposed to be because you have to be helpful.
11:20.18
Matt Dahse
yeah yeah and and if i don't protect that boundary at at the onset and i'm in that situation I won't bring it up. Like I might leave my meditation and go deal with that. If I didn't properly protect that space. And then the rest of my day can have a, a tinge of resentment to it.
11:39.27
Matt Dahse
That can be anger. And the anger comes out towards her or towards Nilo or towards the world. When it's really that I didn't set a boundary. It's an anger that I didn't set the boundary that I didn't protect that space.
11:51.99
Matt Dahse
And like one little thing can throw off the whole day and it can be,
11:52.30
Gareth Pickering
yeah
11:56.65
Gareth Pickering
and the the thing about that resentment the thing about that resentment i think i noticed this in me is like if i
11:57.31
Matt Dahse
protected by just doctors
12:05.73
Gareth Pickering
often that resentment is uncommunicated, meaning like there's a bitterness that I didn't get what I had desired to do and I didn't start my day the same way. and so like, i'm I'm angry about it, but it's not that my partner even knows that it's her or something that's happened, but there's just this flavor of anger that's just underlying, that's almost not even spoken to. So not only is it there, but it's also not communicated so they don't even know how to be able to support and solve it.
12:29.61
Gareth Pickering
And it just builds like a, don't know, like a festering wound or something like that, you know, because, you know, you haven't protected your own time. So you feel resentment to the person that's crossed the boundary that you didn't set properly.
12:40.70
Gareth Pickering
And as a result, it creates tension in relationship.
12:41.47
Matt Dahse
right
12:44.51
Matt Dahse
yeah yeah
12:48.01
Gareth Pickering
So this is what we started this episode with by saying is like, if you are in this place where you feel like you're giving and giving and giving and showing up and you know making sure that you're always there to help with the dishes or help with your son or help with your kids or doing all the things or picking things up, and you're hoping that doing more of that is going to help you to have a smooth and easy relationship, these threads of bitterness that we're touching on here are going to be inherently involved in your in your being because it feels like
13:00.33
Matt Dahse
just starting to point where good He's He's He's good
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Matt Dahse
He's He's He's
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Matt Dahse
a a He's a He's good
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Gareth Pickering
you're not getting what you need to prioritize your most important relationship.
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Matt Dahse
good person. He's
13:19.21
Gareth Pickering
And what we've spoken about multiple times on this podcast, as well as inside the training inside like the Legendary Lover Program, and even in our foundational training, the first 4%, the most important relationship you have is the relationship that you have with yourself.
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Matt Dahse
person. He's He's good He's good He's good person. He's good person. He's good person. He's person. He's He's
13:33.68
Gareth Pickering
That's not even up for debate. Everything else is a reflection of that relationship. And so what Matt's talking about, like your morning routine, You can't be the husband you want to be or the dad that you want to be until you make sure that you've prioritized that relationship that you have with yourself.
13:47.84
Gareth Pickering
And in order to do that, you need to know what that is, why it's important, and then be able to communicate that boundary so that you can show up for that first. And then you can move into your day with the fullness that's required to show up as the the father that you want to be.
14:03.91
Matt Dahse
Communicating the boundary. What's the easy way to do that? Because we were like, you think about a boundary. Like I think about your opening question was when did I first start thinking about boundaries? And it's like, we learned about this stuff as kids, right? Like we we can see ah an unhealthy boundary set at the playground at recess when a kid pushes another kid, you know, because they don't want to be bothered or something like that. So, you know, obviously physically throwing someone away from you is an unhealthy boundary set.
14:31.35
Matt Dahse
And the The healthy version of that is, like you're saying, coming from a a centered space where you know what it is that you are protecting or that you're setting a boundary for, you understand and grounded in your why, and you communicate it from a place where you're you're centered and grounded and articulate to a person who's receptive to hear it, right?
14:53.17
Gareth Pickering
Yes. Yeah.
14:55.59
Matt Dahse
Is it as simple as that? Is there another sweetness ingredient that i need to be thinking about when when communicating these boundaries.
15:02.53
Gareth Pickering
No, I think it' i think you've nailed it. I think the other piece for me, which I want to share in this, is that quite often
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Gareth Pickering
the feminine feels safe and protected when the masculine knows what the fuck to do. When the masculine says, this is what's happening, this is where we're going, this is the plan, and presents it.
15:24.21
Gareth Pickering
What doesn't always feel safe is either not communicating it like what we spoke about earlier, which is like you go and take your morning routine, but then you sort of come out and you don't hold the boundary and you haven't communicated it clearly.
15:32.39
Matt Dahse
Thank
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Gareth Pickering
But when a person knows exactly what your desire is, why it's important to you and clearly communicated, which sounds like hey, Monday, Wednesday, Friday this week, I need 7.30 to 8.30 for my morning routine.
15:47.56
Gareth Pickering
This is important to me so that I can be set up for my day, that my head is clear, and I need you to hold me low until 8.30. eight thirty And I'm not going to be coming out of the room until then because this is important.
15:58.40
Gareth Pickering
That's the communication of it.
15:59.72
Matt Dahse
Right.
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Gareth Pickering
And there's something in that that I think actually relaxes the nervous system of the person receiving the communication because you've been so clear in communicating what the boundary is, how long it's for, like in that communication is as clear as possible.
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Matt Dahse
Yeah.
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Gareth Pickering
It's not some random, I need my morning routine. It's like I need 7.30 to 8.30 or whatever the requirement is.
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Matt Dahse
right
16:19.15
Matt Dahse
yeah
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Gareth Pickering
and then you talk into the why like i really need to be grounded and i know that this is important for me so that at 8 30 you can be relieved to go and do your thing and i've got everything and this is what i need and then communicating it in that way actually creates a lot of safety which i think
16:30.13
Matt Dahse
I was like, I'm not sure. I was like, I'm not sure. I was like, I'm not sure.
16:36.95
Gareth Pickering
is sometimes the opposite for that same part that's the people pleaser who is sort of like, well, let's just wake up tomorrow and we'll see how it goes.
16:39.41
Matt Dahse
I was like, I'm not sure. I was like, I'm not sure.
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Gareth Pickering
I'll see if I can squeeze my morning routine in and the other person doesn't quite know what's happening and then you don't have a morning routine and didn't go according to plan and then you feel resentment and the other person doesn't feel safe and it spirals out of control and it's like you didn't own it.
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Matt Dahse
I was like, I'm not sure.
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Gareth Pickering
You've got to own it all the way through and that's the... It's the dark masculine that says, this is the piece. This is why it's important. This is why I'm doing it. Can you hold it? And the other person goes, yes, I've got it because it's super clear.
17:09.83
Gareth Pickering
And it actually creates safety in a way that not bringing it that directly actually doesn't make the other person feel safe.
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Matt Dahse
That's an important piece that you hit there is, is can you hold it? Like check, like it's not just an expression of, I need this. It's a it's an exchange of you got me and and a yes, you know, and knowing that,
17:29.05
Gareth Pickering
Mm-hmm.
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Matt Dahse
that commitment is anchored and then the relief just pours in the flow. And then, and the nice guy who, you know, maybe wants to handle it differently. you know, the nice guy can say thank you after for holding the space.
17:43.16
Matt Dahse
That's, that's the role of the the inner nice guy gets, gets to play in the whole transaction.
17:48.75
Gareth Pickering
Yeah.
17:50.54
Matt Dahse
Yeah.
17:50.30
Gareth Pickering
You know, in a in a heterosexual relationship where you have someone like you and me, we have got a ah strong, overly identified masculine, and we're both in relationship with women that have got a more developed feminine
17:50.67
Matt Dahse
Yeah.
17:58.91
Matt Dahse
Yes. Right. Right.
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Gareth Pickering
When you're communicating a boundary to your partner, you're almost talking to their masculine. So the check-in with them is like you're talking to Aitana's masculine and saying, hey, this is what I need.
18:15.20
Matt Dahse
yes
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Gareth Pickering
This is why I need it. Have you got me? You're speaking to that part of her that's like, yes, I'm clear.
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Matt Dahse
right
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Gareth Pickering
I've got this 8.30 done. It's that.
18:24.96
Matt Dahse
right
18:24.98
Gareth Pickering
So it's like... or mentioned I would say but ah guys are having a conversation that the lads are like, okay, tomorrow morning we're doing this 730 to 830.
18:30.79
Matt Dahse
Yeah.
18:33.40
Gareth Pickering
I'm doing this. Have you got these things? Can you hold it? We have it slightly differently because we don't have kids. I'll be like, listen, I've got king circle tomorrow. I've got an early thing. be like, I'll do breakfast. but We know we've got each other, but it's like our masculines are talking to each other. It's like this the masculine part of both of us is being clear on that. So Yeah, I think the check-in in the communication is getting confirmation that she's heard and understood what it is that you need, understood why it's important. And then you feel safe as well because her masculine is holding you there.
19:02.15
Gareth Pickering
He's holding the boundary, he being the the masculine in Atana, for you to have your own time.
19:09.23
Matt Dahse
Yeah. And it's so important. Like I said, feeling that bunker feeling of just being able to have your own space. Yeah.
19:17.62
Matt Dahse
Yeah. Awesome.
19:20.13
Gareth Pickering
Awesome. So for those of you uh, have been asleep behind the wheel. The three elements of setting a boundary is first of all, being anchored in your why.
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Gareth Pickering
Why is it that you need to set a boundary? What is it that you're you're trying to protect? Like what is the thing that you need protection from?
19:38.58
Matt Dahse
So, if you haven't done that, then you can see that.
19:38.43
Gareth Pickering
What's important and why is it important? Step one and step two. And then clearly communicating that that desire and that boundary to your partner, letting them know exactly what the request is, why it's important to you and some very specific elements like how long What is it that you need it for?
19:55.96
Gareth Pickering
And then checking in with them to make sure that that's okay and that you understand and that they've understood exactly what this boundary represents to you is the way to communicate a boundary in relationships. So if you haven't heard about boundaries in relationships and no fault of your own, if you haven't, this is not stuff that we get taught. And this is one of the reasons why we're so jazzed to be creating this podcast episode in the next few episodes as well. are going to be all around different themes and elements that you can use to support your relationships.
20:24.15
Gareth Pickering
We're also gonna be putting together some trainings. um The details of the first event will be in the show notes of this. And the first of these relationship trainings, that each training is gonna be about an hour, they're completely free.
20:37.83
Gareth Pickering
And this is basically gonna be the buildup for the next Legendary Lover Method program, which is gonna be launching
20:39.22
Matt Dahse
This is the best thing to do with the buildup for the next page.
20:43.33
Gareth Pickering
probably in early June and the first free training is going to be called relationship reflections where going to be taking a look at what we call the third phase of relationships and the third phase of relationships is relationship endings and how to be able to reflect back on some of your past relationships so that you can anchor in some of the lessons from your past connections and prevent yourself from falling into repeating relationship patterns in your future relationships so
20:44.45
Matt Dahse
The next page will be done with the original.
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Matt Dahse
The original page will be done with the original page.
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Gareth Pickering
Whether you're wanting to call a new partnership or whether you're in a relationship now and want to make sure that you don't have any open browser tabs that are going to potentially start playing music when you're currently in your your relationship right now, going through relationship reflections is going to be part of that pre-training.
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Matt Dahse
I mean,
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Gareth Pickering
So stoked to be sharing that. Matt, maybe you just want to give a little bit of reflection on how powerful that section was inside Legendary Lover when we went through the process of post-gaming some of our past relationships.
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Gareth Pickering
so
21:38.58
Matt Dahse
i mean
21:41.64
Matt Dahse
if you're anything like me, you've, you can look back at your past relationships and grab the gold from them. And you can also grab the the terrible times from them. Like it's an opportunity to really step in and look at that and see how we've grown and see how we can do better. And yeah, the the methods that go into to really turning down the volume on those old relationships, it's,
22:09.13
Matt Dahse
Yeah. I have stories I can tell. I don't know if I want to go into a whole story right now. But yeah, there's there's relation.
22:16.03
Gareth Pickering
yeah
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Matt Dahse
When I did this exercise, I went back and and looked at relationships that I hadn't touched in over 20 years and found patterns that were still repeating. Yeah, undoing those and seeing them. It's powerful, y'all.
22:29.35
Matt Dahse
Yeah.
22:29.92
Gareth Pickering
The first time we did the legendary lover method, a brother who is a friend from South Africa, went through this program and he went through a very specific past relationship that he felt that he still had some energy around.
22:41.20
Gareth Pickering
And when he went through this program, He said he shifted something at the end of the um process that we went through that he said was so significant that it was only about three or four weeks later that he met his current partner. And he said he was so clear that everything that he had moved from this past connection had a aligned him to what it was that he was calling into this new partnership. And he's still in this relationship now. so If you're looking to close some of those energetic hooks that you have from your past relationships, and we all have them, this is almost an ongoing process that will continually be something that you'll do once you have this process to be able to reflect on your past connections and make sure that you are feeling only love and gratitude and appreciation for all of your past partners.
23:24.02
Gareth Pickering
Make sure you check out relationship reflections, free training, roughly an hour, super, super powerful. And, um, yeah, magical, magical stuff that we should really have learned in school. So we hope you enjoyed this episode on boundaries.
23:37.74
Gareth Pickering
And Matt, good to see you, dude.
23:44.21
Matt Dahse
Good to see you as well. Back on the same time zone.
23:46.10
Gareth Pickering
Enjoy Madrid. when no When do you leave the big city?
23:51.35
Matt Dahse
We're driving our new car down on Friday. It's going to be good to be back in the countryside. Yeah.
23:59.21
Gareth Pickering
Awesome, man.
23:59.96
Matt Dahse
All right.
24:00.14
Gareth Pickering
Thanks for checking out this episode. Check out Relationship Reflections in the show notes below, and we'll see you next time. Ciao.
24:07.17
Matt Dahse
Cheers.
